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Grubs

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XYB

Subj: Re: DIS-Agreed...
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 09:20:10 am EST
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 01:47:23 am EST

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I think Wonder Man should be top tier as well, but not as strong as Thor. Actually, the ORIGINAL handbook listed Thor at 95 and Wonder Man at 90. They've had several instances where they showed that Wonder Man is not in Thor's class. Yeah, he had a good showing against Thor in that West Coast Avengers annual, but we all know that Thor has been on Marvel's SPIT LIST for decades now. The Thor of the 60's and 70's would have NEVER been that week. And as far as that Handbook, there was absolutely NO reason to list Thor below Hercules. Personally, I like Wonder Man to be stronger than the Thing and Namor, but weaker than Thor and the Hulk. However, he should be the most physically invulnerable of all of them.

In my opinion, Wonder Man was ruined when they kept that "fear of death" character trait too long. Anybody remember how tough and what a cool character he was when he beat both Namor and the Vision? He was strong, and talked like a hard rock. Now THAT was quinessential Wonder Man to me. The guy they've had since then...I don't know who he is.

XYB



> > Lord Majestros:
> > More often than not, he's been written as VERY close to someone like Thor physically with the margin between the two being negligible at best. In the first handbook (which WAS NOT the Master Edition for anyone reading this that thinks it was) the two were actually listed with the same strength level (95 tons). However, some have written the gap being greater. "Wonderman" #25 actually officially made Simon top tier class 100 level, but Busiek ignored that powerup except for the flying part. Point being, the majority of continuity puts Simon VERY close to Thor physically.
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> ...with far less skill, experience and without the powers of mjolnir. Simon's power up turned him into Charlton's E-man imo. Unfortunately, the look that Busiek and Perez gave him made him seem unsolid.
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> Wondy's skin is no doubt tougher than Thor's and probably tougher than Hulk's on a surface level but overall I would say he's more likely to be koed if hit with an exotic, powerful force. In short...Wondy still has the glass jaw of a bad guy class 100 or not. His durability doesn't go deep enough.
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> I think Wonder Man should be top tier as well, but not as strong as Thor.

By all accounts no non-deity in either comicbook universe should be able to match a deity in strength. But again, this is a comicbook.

>Actually, the ORIGINAL handbook listed Thor at 95 and Wonder Man at 90.

Simon has drawbacks which neither Thor nor the Hulk possess. Even if Wonderman started out as strong as either one the Hulk alone would quickly surpass it as that is his mantra, getting stronger as he gets angrier and as the fight goes on.

>They've had several instances where they showed that Wonder Man is not in Thor's class. Yeah, he had a good showing against Thor in that West Coast Avengers annual, but we all know that Thor has been on Marvel's SPIT LIST for decades now.


Not really. If you listen to Stan Lee's reasons for introducing Thor you will see that future writers eventually realized that having Thor in a comicbook was ludicrous even for a comicbook. He's a god for crying out loud!! So other writers decided that although he is listed as a god, in their opinion that is just a myth and the facts are that he and the Asgardians are just superpowered aliens for which they can and will power down or power up.


>The Thor of the 60's and 70's would have NEVER been that week. And as far as that Handbook, there was absolutely NO reason to list Thor below Hercules.

Hercules was the demi-god of strength. Strength was his calling card. Thor is the god of thunder. There is no reason to assume that Thor would be stronger than the god whose sole mantra is strength. So yes, Hercules should be listed stronger than Thor. Nor would we expect Hercules to be more able to summon the thunder and the lightning greater than Thor?


>Personally, I like Wonder Man to be stronger than the Thing and Namor, but weaker than Thor and the Hulk. However, he should be the most physically invulnerable of all of them.
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Why? Cause of his skin alone? There is no reason to think that the process that resulted in Simon's invulnerability is any greater than that which created either Thor's or the Hulk's. And Namor's strength underwater is one of his advantages. While there he should have the ability to match anyone.



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