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Subj: Re: canon or not...
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 05:55:16 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: canon or not...
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 03:40:36 pm EST

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> > > > > > > > > > > Could the current Hulk be able to defeat the Mongul of the PC era of the DCU, one who actually managed to defeat PC Supes after epic battle, yay or nay?
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> > > > > > > > > > Lord Majestros:
> > > > > > > > > > Pre-Crisis Supes said in no uncertain terms that Mongul took everything he had and Mongul STILL got the better of him.
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> > > > > > > > > Well... Modern Supes was able to KO the Hulk, who nearly took everything Supes had...
> > > > > > > > > So if Modern Supes is able to KO Hulk, and if PC Supes could not KO Mongul, than ?
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> > > > > > > > That was in a fan voted match. Not the best example to use, you will agree.
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> > > > > > > Thats just it! Certain people here DON'T agree! This is why despite the fact that EVERYONE knows that was a fan voted fight (especially the people who keep referring and using this fight as a basis for their arguments)people STILL act as though this battle was canon. What I'd like to know is....WHY?
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> > > > > > a well written story with the same match up would and should have the same result. I'm sorry but no amount of talking is going to make me beleive that hulk can win unless a plot device or a jobbing appears.
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> > > > > So the story would be "well written" ONLY if Supes is victorious. And if the Hulk happened to win, it just HAS to be a job or plot device eh? And this is why? Because YOU wouldn't believe it otherwise. Anything other than a Superman victory would constitute a poorly written story. According to YOU. I see.
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> > > > explain me how you can see hulk winning? written well = If both use all they have correctly. Hulk wont lay a finger on supes.
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> > > You could say that against nearly every single person Superman fights. You and everyone else who continues to use the "speed blitz", or "superspeed" thing should really stop doing that. Superman doesn't fight that way and just because certain of you want him to DOES NOT mean that when he doesn't, it's a poorly written story.
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> > IT's a FACT that he can fight like that. I can't help it. People scream when MM forget to use his intangibility and I agree that it is bad. No excuse. Also Superman could simply fly above hulk and zap him until he fall. The only way hulk can win is if we throw a red carpet for hulk and glue superman on the ground. Like that yeah hulk would eventualy win. otherwise I would have to be really dumb not to find a way to remove him. Even if he went on a rage for hours and hours and came to be billions of time stronger and impervious than superman he would still not fly and would still weight half a ton... so he could be disposed of to a place he would chill out litteraly.
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> > > Quite frankly, there ARE no "poorly written" or "well written" stories. It's all a matter of point of view. You say a well written story constitutes Superman speed jackin' Hulk or anybody else for that matter, but SOMEONE else could say a well written story is that Superman didn't realize how tough the Hulk was and when he finally did give Hulk his due, it was too late! Hulk was now too impervious to harm(a legitimate aspect of his power)for ANYTHING Supes could do to affect him. Now YOU may find that to be bullcrap, but the next fan(who has every right to believe what he/she wants to believe same as you)may think this is the best written story in the history of literature. Oh and trying to use the "rabid fan" excuse is weak, because the same could be said in the other direction.
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> > I agree that it is a question of perspective but the idea is they have to advantage the hulk or there is no battle at all. I didn't insult anybody by calling them "rabbid fan"... yet. And i never said the hulk can't be stronger than superman... eventualy. It's not a question of strengh only its a question of having so much more than the other to win. What seam so unreasonnable?
> I didn't say YOU claimed the "rabid fan" excuse. I was saying the use of that excuse in the face of adversity is weak.
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I agree.

> > > And I just realized it but I did indeed give you an "instance" where Hulk could beat Superman...."if written correctly".
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> > Yeah you have to hope for a merciless hulk and a naive superman who would not be able to fly away when he realised that he messed up... might work.
> But don't you see? YOU just came up with a "poorly written" result! Superman would NEVER fly away even if he knew the odds were against him. By trying to downplay my argument, you merely proved my point for me.

If kal can't do anything about hulk he will have to change strategy somehow. The guy is not dense. He will take his leave if the hulk is only threatening rocks or take hulk elsewhere if others are in dangers but the idea remain it would be dumb for him to continue the punching routine if its doing nothing. That would be weird to persist with a loosing approach. The only way to force him to do this would be to use innocent bystanders. That could work... but in the grand canyon with the universe at stakes ? Never!

> it would be dumb for him to continue the punching routine if its doing nothing. That would be weird to persist with a loosing approach.

You mean like he did with Doomsday? And we all know how THAT turned out. That must have been bad writing.