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Daveym

Subj: Re: Well, in fairness...
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:31:39 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Well, in fairness...
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:56:43 pm EDT

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> A sorceror will own a team of heroes 10/10 usually for that very reason, they are effectively warping reality and no one outside of another sorceror or enchantment can possibly answer such an assault.
> > Thors hammer for example weighs not so much that you or i can't lift it, but thanks to the enchatment put on it no one unworthy can begin to do so. Ditto for the Darkhold - a book of Black Magic so powerful it resists any & all attempt to destroy it.
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> Again, thats not true. Take a non magic user more powerful than the wizard who enchanted the item or whatever and the enchantment will most likely not resist the assault. Think Galactus/Celestial vs juggernaut or thor Or Darkseid vs Mordru as seen in the Great darkness saga. Non-magic OWN big time.
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Darkseid is borne of the Old Gods and the Source, of course he's going to be a bit above any sorceror for similar reasons The Spectre is!
The Spectre actually fought Darkseid and annihilated him, he's an aspect of God almighty and closer to the source than Darkseid is And Both are a lot closer to God and the source than Doctor Fate or his Ilk.... even minor sorceror Ramban was able to battle the spectre once by tapping into the same power he does.

As to you're idea magic doesn't exist... well yeah whatever. \:\-\( Going by that logic I should be able to throw the Darkhold into an industrial shredder. Superman-Prime should be able to go up to Mjolnir and lift that sucker with no sweat. Firestorm should be able to beat Doctor Fate as he's a high level transmuter who's power is 'magic'... right? \:\-p


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> Depend if they are potent enought transmutters to manipulate adamantium. It is also possible for ultron to devellop forcefields against this kind of attack (I would) or simply calibrate his own molecular rearanger to counter any attempt by other transmuter. The possibilities are endless.... its pure "magic" \:\-p
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Ultrons molecular rearanger is a piece of tech, as he is. Should be able to be mimiced by a transmuter like Sersi as they manipulate matter on an atomic scale and are expert at it. Theoretically....

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> > A sorceror will own a team of heroes 10/10 usually for that very reason, they are effectively warping reality and no one outside of another sorceror or enchantment can possibly answer such an assault.
> > > Thors hammer for example weighs not so much that you or i can't lift it, but thanks to the enchatment put on it no one unworthy can begin to do so. Ditto for the Darkhold - a book of Black Magic so powerful it resists any & all attempt to destroy it.
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> > Again, thats not true. Take a non magic user more powerful than the wizard who enchanted the item or whatever and the enchantment will most likely not resist the assault. Think Galactus/Celestial vs juggernaut or thor Or Darkseid vs Mordru as seen in the Great darkness saga. Non-magic OWN big time.
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> Darkseid is borne of the Old Gods and the Source, of course he's going to be a bit above any sorceror for similar reasons The Spectre is!
> The Spectre actually fought Darkseid and annihilated him, he's an aspect of God almighty and closer to the source than Darkseid is And Both are a lot closer to God and the source than Doctor Fate or his Ilk.... even minor sorceror Ramban was able to battle the spectre once by tapping into the same power he does.
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Ok but my point remain. The nature of power doesn't decide who win or loose. Power does. Darseid powers are not magical and he dealt with mordru swiftly even tho mordru is as hight a sorcerer one can be. Franklin richard is not a god in origin and not a wizard either... but you would do well to not treaten his mother even if your name is Dr strange or thor(being a god does not always warrant you victory by right of heritage). POWER whatever it nature is what count.


> As to you're idea magic doesn't exist... well yeah whatever. \:\-\( Going by that logic I should be able to throw the Darkhold into an industrial shredder. Superman-Prime should be able to go up to Mjolnir and lift that sucker with no sweat. Firestorm should be able to beat Doctor Fate as he's a high level transmuter who's power is 'magic'... right? \:\-p
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I do not think it does not exist. I think it is a different approach at the cosmos. Magic IS a part of the universe. The better are your understanding and mastery of the forces of the universe the mightier you are period. Wheter you start looking at them with logic/science or magical view. I think of all approaches (Magic, science or others unknown)as the end of a line that is tied to the other lines and is, in fact, the same line for all.

If superman prime would prove himself mightier than Odin (whitch is a subject I won't touch with a 10 foot pole) why couldn't he overpower the enchantment? Magic often appears as very efficient against those of other approaches because it act throught ways unknown to those it oppose. Would a Gardian of the universe be so easily defeated by Mordru? Or would his greater understanding of the cosmos and superior power even up thing? Who knows! I think this is why a left handed boxer might be very efficient in a majority of right handed boxers. Being right or left handed as nothing to do with superiority but it might be confusing and hard to cope with at least at first for the right handed boxers using to fight right handed opponents and having develloped right handed stances.


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> > Depend if they are potent enought transmutters to manipulate adamantium. It is also possible for ultron to devellop forcefields against this kind of attack (I would) or simply calibrate his own molecular rearanger to counter any attempt by other transmuter. The possibilities are endless.... its pure "magic" \:\-p
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> Ultrons molecular rearanger is a piece of tech, as he is. Should be able to be mimiced by a transmuter like Sersi as they manipulate matter on an atomic scale and are expert at it. Theoretically....
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Yes but ultron is not powerless for it. If he knows it a possible danger for him chances are he will have develloped defences.


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