Comic Battle - Not too sure about Dagger and Artemis...

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Remember: Objections must be REASONABLE and backed up by either scans or good examples of WHY you consider the pick in question above the class they are being drafted at. Objections noted below have been approved by me as such:
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Dvlish = Songbird (EM) & Batgirl Cassandra (Street)

Hatman = Titania (EM) & Lady Shiva (Street)
(Dvlish #1 objection, claims Titania = PM)
(Dark Marvel #2 objection, claims Titania = PM)
(Amor Fati #3 objection, feels Titania = PM)
Hatman, I'm sorry, but three objections means you must discard Titania and repick your EM choice.

Thorian = Cheshire Nguyen (Street)

Dark Marvel = Ghost (EM) & Black Widow (Street)

Amor Fati = Witchblade Sara (EM) & Silver Sable (Street)

Random = Blink (EM) & Red Sonja (Street)

Spunksf = Kitty Pryde (EM) & Manhunter Kate Spencer (Street)

Comedian = Gamora (without Godslayer Sword) (EM) she can have a normally crafted daggers/sword of human level metalurgy. ELEKTRA (Street).
(Master = #1 Objection, claims Gamora as PM)

Incriptus = T-X Terminator (EM) & Buffy-bot (Street)
(Hatman = #1 Objection, feels Buffy-bot is above street level strength)
(Amor Fati = #2 Objection, feels Buffy-bot is a Meta)

Reedification: Darkstar (EM) & Huntress (Street)
(Amor Fati = #1 objection claims Darkstar is PM)

DCR = Xavin (EM) & Colleen Wing (Street)
(Amor Fati = #1 Objection, feels Xavin is a PM)

Exes = Storm (EM) & Talia al Ghul (Street)

Vermin = Valkyrie (EM) & Scarlett of GI Joe (Street)

Master = Psylocke (EM) & Artemis of Themyscira (minus the Bana-Mighdalla upgrades) (Street)
(dvlish = #1 Objection, feels Artemis exceeds street with strength by virtue of being an amazon)
(Hatman = #2 Objection, feels Artemis exceeds street level)
(Amor Fati = #3 Objection, feels Artemis is a Meta)
Master, I'm sorry, but you must repick your Street choice.

Xero = Quicksand (EM) & Dagger (Street)
(dvlish = #1 objection, feels Dagger has psychic power exceeds street)
(spunksf = #2 objection, feels Dagger is more powerful than street)
(Hatman = #3 objection, feels Dagger is a Meta)
Xero must now replace Dagger with a new street pick.

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Still need picks from the following for:
Thorian, Hatman = EM
Master, Xero = Street
Rehzon = EM & Street

Dagger: I thought the rule for streets was no powers?

Artemis: I think she has a degree of superstrength in just being an amazon that takes her out of street level.

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Defensor's LADIES ONLY Tourney Drafting begins NOW: · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:58:56 am EDT
- Hatman, I'm sorry, but 3 objections have occurred for your EM choice, you must repick....(NT) · Defensor · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:45:09 am EDT
- Master, I'm sorry, but 3 objections have occurred for your Street, you must repick...(NT) · Defensor · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:44:01 am EDT
- Xero: Three Objections have occured for your Street pick. I'm sorry, but I must ask you to repick...(NT) · Defensor · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:29:44 am EDT
- Summary of LOCKED-IN (EM & Street) Picks...Lodge Objections Here.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:18:11 pm EDT
  - Thoughts · Amor Fati · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:32:32 am EDT
  - Thoughts, objections, and a question for J · Hatman · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:08:28 am EDT
  - Re: Summary of LOCKED-IN (EM & Street) Picks...Lodge Objections Here.... · Rehzon · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 06:32:33 am EDT
    - Batman is a male, repick your street....Jean Grey is too powerful at EM....repick....(NT) · Defensor · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 08:42:10 am EDT
  - Maybe I'll switch then..To: · Master · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 01:11:42 am EDT
    - You said it yourself · Dark Marvel · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 02:03:40 am EDT
      - Yea but · Master · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:02:06 am EDT
        
        Re: Yea but · Dark Marvel · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:47:43 am EDT
  - Question · Master · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:41:04 am EDT
  - I'm a bit wary of Artimis · Incriptus · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:32:31 pm EDT
    - Re: I'm a bit wary of Artimis · Master · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:19:55 am EDT
    - Re: I'm a bit wary of Artimis · dvlish · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:02:56 am EDT
      - Except · Incriptus · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:27:10 am EDT
  - Re: Summary of LOCKED-IN (EM & Street) Picks...Lodge Objections Here.... · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:32:05 pm EDT
    - I figured enough objections would occur to force a repick....(NT) · Defensor · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:16:11 am EDT
  - Re: Summary of LOCKED-IN (EM & Street) Picks...Lodge Objections Here.... · spunksf · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:11:09 pm EDT
    - Objection noted...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:13:28 pm EDT
  - Not too sure about Dagger and Artemis... · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:40:21 pm EDT
    - objections noted...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:47:00 pm EDT
      - Question: It's Dagger of Cloak and Dagger right? the one who shoots energy? nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:59:58 pm EDT
        
        That's correct Nt · Xero · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:00:12 am EDT
        I had presumed it was Dagger (from Cloak & Dagger)....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:09:20 pm EDT
  - Re: Summary of LOCKED-IN (EM & Street) Picks...Lodge Objections Here.... · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:37:54 pm EDT
    - On Gamora, defensor also... · Master · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:34:50 am EDT
    - One objection noted, another retracted....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:48:24 pm EDT
  - Re: Summary of LOCKED-IN (EM & Street) Picks...Lodge Objections Here.... · The Comidien · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:55:01 pm EDT
- Master: I'm LOCKING IN Artemis of Themyscira (minus all Bana-Mighdall upgrades) as STREET....unless 3 or more objections occur....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:05:27 pm EDT
- Re: Defensor's LADIES ONLY Tourney Drafting begins NOW: · Xero · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:40:00 pm EDT
  - Quicksand as IM is LOCKED IN.....Dagger as Street is Locked In....Unless 3 or more objections occur....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:03:46 pm EDT
- Mantis and Psylocke....nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:15:48 pm EDT
  - Psylocke (EM) Locked In....Mantis will need to be repicked. She's too powerful for Street....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:19:16 pm EDT
    - Why is she above street? What she done to be over???nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:22:40 pm EDT
      - Empathy, Plant Manipulation, A healing Factor and Astral Projection make her above street, besides.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:26:13 pm EDT
        
        Does Artemis have powers??? If not I'll take the Amazon...nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:49:05 pm EDT
        
        Re: Does Artemis have powers??? If not I'll take the Amazon...nt · J · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:08:26 pm EDT
        Artemis is greater than a street, sorry, but she's got knowledge of low level magic & has slight physical.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:01:30 pm EDT
        
        How about with no Bana-Mighdall upgrade, and like Electra when has she used her powers exactly??? · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:04:30 pm EDT
        
        Also note Batman was able to go hth with her withoout any strengh andvantage...nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:05:20 pm EDT
        
        Yes, And He Was No Match! (no text) · Daveym · Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 05:40:52 am EDT
        Batman can go h2h with Killer Croc too... · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:55:43 pm EDT
        Does anyone object to Artemis w/just skill and normal weaponary???nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:30:14 pm EDT
- Scarlet (G.I. Joe) and Valkyrie. (no text) · vermin · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:52:35 pm EDT
  - Scarlett of GI Joe LOCKED IN at Street....Valkyrie LOCKED IN at EM....unless 3 or more objections arise...(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 05:02:01 pm EDT
- Re: Defensor's LADIES ONLY Tourney Drafting begins NOW: · Rehzon · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:51:39 pm EDT
  - I this MOONKNIGHT as a Street pick?.....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:58:46 pm EDT
    - Nah, I thought someone else had him, check above. nt · Rehzon · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 05:04:10 pm EDT
- Talia Al Ghul and Storm · Exes · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:51:05 pm EDT
  - Talia al Ghul LOCKED IN as STREET....Storm, IMO, is a PM, but I'll LOCK IN as (EM) unless 3 or more objections arise....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:53:32 pm EDT
    - I can't get same treatment with Mantis??? · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:23:54 pm EDT
- I've come up with 15 cool battlefields I'm fairly confident you aren't used to seeing in tourney's, too....all are roughly Human class environments...can't wait to s ... (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:01:07 pm EDT
- picks · DCR · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:50:36 pm EDT
  - Colleen Wing (Street) is legit...LOCKED IN....Xavin can only use 2 of the FF powers at once though...hmmm....I'll LOCK Xavin IN (high EM?) unless objections occur... ... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:56:31 pm EDT
- Re: Street: Huntress EMeta: Dark Star · Reedification · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:53:53 pm EDT
  - Re: Street: Huntress EMeta: Dark Star · Reedification · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:27:50 pm EDT
    - Are you changing from Darkstar (2 of 3 objections already) to Polaris?...if so....sorry, but.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:38:37 pm EDT
      - Not yet · Reedification · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:48:44 pm EDT
        
        Darkstar is over imo....nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:16:52 pm EDT
        
        I need a valid reason why you feel so if you want this pick changed....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:22:25 pm EDT
        
        what?!?! how about because Sunfire could'nt do a damn thing to her...nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:26:10 pm EDT
        
        Sunfire is an EM too, so not good enough reason for rejection....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:28:12 pm EDT
        
        Thank you Defensor I agree · Reedification · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:00:45 pm EDT
        
        I feel she's a PM even w/o Sword as she can go toe to toe with She-Hulk, but there are currently 2 objections, so have a replacement ready just in case....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:17:54 pm EDT
  - Huntress LOCKED IN as STREET....Darkstar seems low-PM to me, but I'll lock her in as EM unless 3 objections or more arise...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:55:37 pm EDT
    - is that Donna Troy Darkstar or Darkstar the mutant? nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:37:33 pm EDT
      - I had presumed Darkstar the Mutant....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:39:59 pm EDT
        
        you presum correct (no text) · Reedification · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 05:07:35 pm EDT
        That makes it tricky then... · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:46:39 pm EDT
    - Sorry I object to Darkstar... · Amor Fati · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:15:34 pm EDT
      - 2nded (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:18:06 pm EDT
      - Well I pose to you this, what has she done to place her with the likes of Iron man · Reedification · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:17:53 pm EDT
        
        Bad analogy · Amor Fati · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:33:53 pm EDT
        
        EIM without the Iron Legion is top PM...and IW when motivated has · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:17:32 pm EDT
        just wondering, but where would you put Nightshade? nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:44:20 pm EDT
        
        META, IMO....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:51:11 pm EDT
        
        What?!?!? No way... · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:20:09 pm EDT
        
        well there is no living with you then ;-) (no text) · Reedification · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:45:58 pm EDT
- TTeam 2: Street Cammy Enhaned Meta Firestar (no text) · Incriptus · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:18:12 pm EDT
  - There are currently 16 teams, so you can't run a 2nd team, sorry....(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:19:33 pm EDT
    - olops, okle-dokle . . . I'll be sticking with team one then (no text) · Incriptus · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:27:22 pm EDT
- Team 1: Street - Buffy Bot Enhaned meta - T-X (no text) · Incriptus · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:06:38 pm EDT
  - T-X Terminator (EM) & Buffy-bot (Street) Both locked in....(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:17:34 pm EDT
- LOCKED-IN PICKS (only changeable if 3 or more REASONABLE objections lodged).... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:30:43 am EDT
  - Echo and Gamora · The Comedian · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:51:58 pm EDT
    - Damn you for taking Gamora...;)....nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:17:59 pm EDT
    - Nice! (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:03:17 pm EDT
      - Gamora no GS/Sword is LOCKED IN as EM (she can have a normal sword/daggers)...(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:05:59 pm EDT
    - Echo is a Meta, please repick your Street....Gamora is allowed as EM without the Godslayer, just remember, if enough objections arise, she may have to be repicked... ... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:03:01 pm EDT
      - What! She's just a human with an alptitude for learnng skills! · The Comedian · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:28:26 pm EDT
        
        Electra needs to be repicked....she has low level telepathy and mind control...which is greater than street abilities in themselves...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:43:33 pm EDT
        
        Re: Electra needs to be repicked....she has low level telepathy and mind control...which is greater than street abilities in themselves...(NT) · Daveym · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:17:47 pm EDT
        Dude...Elektra is a street despite what the page says she NEVER uses those abilities. (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:49:33 pm EDT
        
        Exactly nt · The Comedien · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:56:42 pm EDT
        Fine....I'll lock ELEKTRA in at STREET for now.....(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:52:14 pm EDT
        
        She does? (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:45:14 pm EDT
        
        Says so right on her wiki-page under SKILLS/POWERS....(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:46:58 pm EDT
        
        So I see. I always thought she was just a ninja. (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:47:51 pm EDT
        
        I agree with Echo being at street. (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:32:28 pm EDT
- First Pick! · Thorion · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:06:48 am EDT
  - nice choice.. very underestimated. nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:06:38 pm EDT
    - I do (lol)! (no text) · Thorion · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:08:08 pm EDT
      - lol thanks, didn't think anyone would see that! NT · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:49:07 pm EDT
  - Cheshire(Nguyen) LOCKED IN....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:12:41 am EDT
- Re: Defensor's LADIES ONLY Tourney Drafting begins NOW: · spunksf · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:54:19 am EDT
  - Moondragon is a legit PM....Black Widow's already been picked, so you need a new Street too...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:00:14 am EDT
    - Re: Moondragon is a legit PM....Black Widow's already been picked, so you need a new Street too...(NT) · spunksf · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:32:36 am EDT
      - Manhunter (Kate Spencer) LOCKED IN at Street....Kitty Pryde LOCKED IN at EM...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:36:12 am EDT
        
        About Manhunter...how enhanced does the gear make her? (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:17:47 pm EDT
        
        to me she's borderline....but I don't think she can beat 2 or 3 of the elite streets like Batman, Conan or Judge Dredd....all of which.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:20:26 pm EDT
- Picks for now. · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:46:09 am EDT
  - Black Widow LOCKED IN for now, unless others complain enough....Ghost I don't know enough about, & links don't show her powers...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:58:23 am EDT
    - Ghost's power is intangibility and to turn other things intangible (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:07:05 am EDT
      - Here is another link! · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:16:03 am EDT
        
        Ghost is LOCKED IN as EM....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:19:30 am EDT
    - As far as I know the Widow doesn't have any powers (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:00:26 am EDT
- Blink & Red Sonja · RANDOM · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:35:19 am EDT
  - Red Sonja = Street....Blink = EM....Both LOCKED IN....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:37:24 am EDT
- Lady Shiva-Street, EM coming soon. (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:31:43 am EDT
- Draft Picks · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:31:25 am EDT
  - Lady Shiva LOCKED IN....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:35:17 am EDT
    - EM pick - Titania (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:40:03 am EDT
      - Titania is a solid PM who rivals Ben Grimm & She-Hulk in strength/ability....(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:49:58 am EDT
        
        Ben Grimm has always been EM, and most versions of She Hulk are EM as well... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:02:43 am EDT
        
        Titania is LOCKED IN at EM...but if 3 or more object, she'll need to be replaced...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:14:51 am EDT
        
        So long as she doesn't have the PG and isn't 2mm tall :-) · RANDOM · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:29:34 am EDT
        
        I thought about the Power Gem version for herald, but the 10 appearances rule would've stopped me even if Defensor allowed the gems (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:36:51 am EDT
        Infinity Gems are banned in this tourney....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:31:48 am EDT
        
        Using your definitions... · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:58:02 am EDT
        
        Titania has beaten SheHulk soundly in the past, and her bio page clearly says she is stronger than SheHulk.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:03:10 am EDT
        
        I think she should be PM · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:10:03 pm EDT
        
        the only She Hulks that are PM are post Gamora training (who was stronger than hercules) · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:02:43 pm EDT
        Re: I think she should be PM · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:30:07 pm EDT
        
        Then by your definition.. · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:43:14 pm EDT
        
        no, they're in the same category or Hulk is slightly higher... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:05:44 pm EDT
        most of the Hulks, as you can see in my examples for upper end category MEN on the signup page.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:56:45 pm EDT
        Re: Then by your definition.. · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:48:41 pm EDT
        
        Re: Then by your definition.. · Daveym · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:11:10 pm EDT
        This is why 3 or more objections need to occur to force a change....We'll see how others feel...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:07:45 pm EDT
      - Not the same one from Secret Wars? (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:47:00 am EDT
  - LOL!! DAMMIT MAN!! (no text) · Dark Marvel · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:32:11 am EDT
    - Heh · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:33:48 am EDT
- Re: Defensor's LADIES ONLY Tourney Drafting begins NOW: · Amor Fati · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:14:56 am EDT
  - Okay...edit... · Amor Fati · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:51:36 am EDT
    - Will let others sound off on Nebula as a STREET....Aleta's bio page says her powers rival Green Lantern powers.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:10:19 am EDT
      - Changed. Check again. (no text) · Amor Fati · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:10:56 am EDT
        
        Silver Sable LOCKED IN as Street....Emma Frost is a legit PM as she demonstrates HIGH END use of her powers...(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:17:19 am EDT
        
        EM pick · Amor Fati · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:41:54 am EDT
        
        Witchblade Sara Pezzini LOCKED IN as EM...(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:44:23 am EDT
  - Ravager is greater than Street level and needs to be repicked...Gamora is ok at EM but doesn't come with the Godslayer....let me know.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:24:12 am EDT
    - isn't her healing more like classic Wolverine... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:41:56 am EDT
      - waitaminute, I'm definately wrong there... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:43:24 am EDT
    - How's about... · Amor Fati · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:41:00 am EDT
      - MU Mantis has healing factor and other low level powers that make her a solid EM...Gamora w/Godslayer is above EM....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:45:39 am EDT
        
        Except Gamora would waste everyone on your EM list...nt · Master · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:30:39 pm EDT
        
        Objection noted....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:32:19 pm EDT
- Re: Defensor's LADIES ONLY Tourney Drafting begins NOW: · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:00:18 am EDT
  - Songbird LOCKED IN at EM....unless 3 or more objections arise....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:21:43 am EDT
    - I feel like we're on a game show! lol nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:00:28 pm EDT
  - Batgirl Cassandra Locked In....however....I think Songbird is more of a solid Meta, IMO, as she... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:04:10 am EDT
    - but with that power she's very versatile...Magneto only has one power by that reasoning... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:40:31 am EDT
      - EM has medium to low level powers...Magneto's are very high level, very different....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:52:18 am EDT
        
        Nope, EMs are actually pretty powerful...like Storm, the Thing, etc... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:29:17 am EDT
        
        Thats it though, I consider Storm, Bloodstorm, Thing as all PM's...which is why I want 3 or more reasonable objections to be lodged.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:34:04 am EDT
        
        and this is why you and I disagree about Wonder Woman... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:49:40 am EDT
        
        see, whats been happening within the past 6 months to a year... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:51:46 am EDT
        
        for me, it's kind of a sliding thing with the whole M/EM/PM categories....let me demonstrate.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:02:31 pm EDT
        
        Re: for me, it's kind of a sliding thing with the whole M/EM/PM categories....let me demonstrate.... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:31:08 pm EDT
        
        Some answers..... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:50:35 pm EDT
        a good litmus test... · Braugi · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:39:12 pm EDT
        
        As you know, I've been here less than a year, but the three ways I feel the M/EM/PM levels are fleshed out by me.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:13:34 pm EDT
      - Agree, Songbird is too much at meta (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:42:05 am EDT
        
        we're drafting Emeta not Meta nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:59:27 am EDT
        
        I know; Defensor was recommending Songbird be changed to a meta pick (check a little higher up in this reply thread) (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:25:32 pm EDT
        
        So you agree that Songbird is Meta but you say she's too much for meta... interesting. nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:39:23 pm EDT
        
        Where did I say I agree Songbird is a Meta? (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:43:39 pm EDT
        
        check the thread... · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:10:25 pm EDT
        
        I feel she's a solid Meta, but not powerful enough to be an EM....which I said....but locked her in since you feel so strongly.... · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:17:43 pm EDT
        
        Not powerful enough? · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:22:06 pm EDT
        
        We'll see....I"ve let her be an EM...if he's fine with it and enough people dont tell him she's a legit M, I'll reassess my personal view of her....(NT) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:24:52 pm EDT
        
        I was replying to Braugi, not Defensor. With all the replies since it's hard to tell :) (no text) · Hatman · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:15:56 pm EDT
        
        ah ok, it just got a little confusing! but I'm tracking now.. nt · dvlish · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:18:59 pm EDT
        
        Right, I kinda think Songbird isn't strong enough for EM class, but others will let you know, accordingly....(NT) (no text) · Defensor · Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:28:28 pm EDT