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dvlish

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Incriptus

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Subj: Re: I'm a bit wary of Artimis
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:02:56 am EDT (Viewed 93 times)
Reply Subj: I'm a bit wary of Artimis
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:32:31 pm EDT (Viewed 56 times)


> > Hatman = Titania (EM) & Lady Shiva (Street)
> > (Dvlish #1 objection, claims Titania = PM)
> > (Dark Marvel #2 objection, claims Titania = PM)
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> I can give an anti-objection, I would like to give a vote of support for Titania as a EM. PM is for Hercules, Namor, & Wonderman. She's not as strong or as durible as either of those. I'd say Titania, She-Hulk (without any powerups), Thing and other 75-90's are EM's while the "token" class 100's and those 75-90's who have other powers. Yeah she did great against She-Hulk in secret wars . . . almost as well as Spiderman did against her.
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IIRC Marvel lists her as being second to She-Hulk in terms of raw strength, the contention then lies in whether or not one thinks She-Hulk is a PM or an EM...



> > Master = Psylocke (EM) & Artemis of Themyscira (minus the Bana-Mighdalla upgrades) (Street)
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> I'm ignorant of what normal amazon's are capable of, so I guess the quick questions are does she have greater than 1 ton worth of strength. does she has super special equipment in addition to peak human stats. It would take those two to get over meta
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> and it's always important to define the version of psylocke the last time I saw her she was flying the telekenticaally blowing off mountain tops.
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> > Xero = Quicksand (EM) & Dagger (Street)
> > (dvlish = #1 objection, feels Dagger has psychic power exceeds street)
> > (spunksf = #2 objection, feels Dagger is more powerful than street)
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> I'd like to give a vote of support to Dagger as street, yes she has a "power" but I'd rather be hit by one of Dagger's daggers than I would by one of punishers bullets. and I'm sure all the streets in the tournament feel the same.

3 things:

1) Dagger will never run out of daggers ( or at least if she does, it will be long after the Punisher has used up all his bullets, or Batman his batarangs)

2) it is non-sequitur to say that because a character would rather be hit by a light dagger than a bullet that the character is a street. I'd rather get gassed by metamorpho than get shot by the punisher... but that doesn't make Metamorpho street does it? Dagger's light blasts have varying intensity and almost certainly stuns an opponent on contact. Characters like Batman have kevlar suits and trained reflexes to combat bullets... what exactly can stop an inexhaustible light dagger?


3)I am under the impression that streets shouldn't have any powers inherent within them... by allowing Dagger to be considered street, there will exist a conundrum of where to draw a line between what is regarded as STREET and META. If the argument is that the power is less lethal than a bullet, then by this definition Cyclops, Gambit and Jubilee should be considered streets since their powers are and can be used non-lethally. And if that is the case then I would like to change my "street" to Gambit.


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