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Would be Watcher

Location: Canada
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
In Reply To
Olympian

Subj: I think you don't get it or worse don't want to get it...
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 10:54:26 pm EDT (Viewed 67 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I don't agree completly...
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 05:01:41 pm EDT




> You dont have reference points in Superman, or Hulk over the top feats either.
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Thats not true. 99% of the comicbook feats are performed in "midgard" standard if you will. So hulk lifting a truck is sujected to the same opposition from the universal laws as thing would when in the same conditions. The point is whatever has been done by hulk and failed by thing, for example, are directly usable because they had sets of rules we can rather easily refer to. If Thor would come over and tried what herc did and failed in the same context NOW you would have a reference point even tho the conditions were different. We know what Thor is capable of and we would now know that at the very least Herc is stronger. The problem is for all we know an asgardian troll might do it because on Olympus the sky is 10 x 4 hollywood backgroud depicting a stary night. I exagerate of course but you get the idea... I hope.

> I get why people wonder about he factual number, but that is irrevelant. What matters is what a feat like this represents. Likewise for Hulk punching a time storm and the like.
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Hulk punching a time storm tells me what? No really? It tells me he punched a time storm... thats it. But as a comparative value what does it bring? Nada. It's cool no problem there but it got 0 comparative value. Thats my sole point. The feat is real cool but hard to use to say herc > thor for example. It might not be important to you but since comparison is the bread and butter of this board...

> The one thing that is simple to see, is, the more over the top feats a character does, the more the gap will be if compared against someone who doesnt. At least, that is, when the discussion is about strength.

I don't agree. If the feats are executed in the same context there are no reasons you can't use it. Whatever X does in a given context that Y failed to do in the same context is extremely valuable if you try to get who is stronger or whatever. It's when the context is not the same or innapropriate that things get complex.



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