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Subj: A serious case of major bias:
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:22:21 pm EDT
Reply Subj: The DC Heracles performed the same Labors as the Marvel Hercules...
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:05:51 pm EDT (Viewed 94 times)

> ...although Marvels Hercules was shown to not have actually performed them all on his own...

Under Perez, DCU Heracles claimed he never performed his bigger feats. Not only this, but DC has ever showed him doing any of them in the first place under any storytelling material, like flashbacks.

Obviously, since you dont consider *any* material revelant for Marvel Hercules, i want to know why you are giving such credit for the DCU Hercules, when what we have of him, and his past exploits, is actually considerable less information than his Marvel counterpart.

Thats strike one. Lets look at strike two:

Marvel Hercules has done them all as per the continuity in his universe. The only one that has been a contention for doubt, going back and forth over the decades of publication has been the stables feat. Under Marvel current continuity (and we all know another writer will retcon it again) this particular labour marks his first meeting ever, bewteen Hercules and Gilgamesh.

Lets end wih strike three, for the "oh he had assist sometimes" cryout:

The whole notion that because Athena and Hermes walked around and assisted him directly in something like 3 of the 10/12 labours, is nothing but pure bias, given how Wonder Woman rarely sports a single high feat *withou* direct assist from her teammates.

Again, i want to know, why you attack one character that had some assist, but are appearantly fine with Wonder Woman getting help, in nearly every major feat.

In conclusion, and this is no novelty in reality, both Myth and Marvel Hercules are stronger than both Wonder Woman and DCU Heracles.

> > > Wonder Woman Volume One #105, reveals that Diana was formed from clay by the Queen of the Amazons and was imbued with the attributes of the Greek gods by Athena - "beautiful as Aphrodite, wise as Athena, swifter than Hermes, and stronger than Hercules."
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> > > So yeah, there really IS NO DOUBT, Wonder Woman IS stronger than Hercules. Straight from DC. 'Nuff said.
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> > Uh . . . Hercules from DC is NOT the same as Hercules from Marvel.
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> > > > There's no question that Marvel's strongest roughly equal D.C.'s strongest, and that Herc is probably as strong (or almost as strong, or stronger than) WW. I hate that it's the case, because I find DC feats to be pretty silly, and long for the days when the most you might ever accomplish is pushing over a building.
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> > > > Nevertheless, we know from JLA v. Avengers that Thor is roughly equal to Supes, and that Herc is roughly equal to Thor. To the extent WW is as strong as Supes, she's as strong as Thor and Herc. I don't buy that she's as strong as any of them, personally, for reasons that are pretty obvious. If WW is as strong as Supes but more skilled, then she should beat him every time. Arguing a la J that she's never gone all out against him simply misses the point. That is, arguing that she's never gone all out against him explains why she's never beaten him, but it doesn't explain DC's position that Supes is top dog, i.e., if she is his physical equal, then DC's position that Supes is top dog is false. You can't have it both ways, citing DC editorial as canon yet pointing to the fact of her superior skills. She's either very skilled and not as strong, or DC's not telling the truth.
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> > > > Frankly, I think she's not as strong, but in the ballpark, not as durable, not as fast, but a way better fighter, and consequently just as formidable. Supes, CM, BA, Herc and Thor, however, are slightly above her pay grade.
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