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Subj: Re: The DC Heracles performed the same Labors as the Marvel Hercules...
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:37:14 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: The DC Heracles performed the same Labors as the Marvel Hercules...
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:32:52 pm EDT

> > ...although Marvels Hercules was shown to not have actually performed them all on his own...
> That's a strawman argument. You KNOW that you can't measure those items against each other.
> Incidentally, I don't believe that Herc was holding up the actual heavens as recently demonstrated in his book. I think instead that the gods have their own set of mythological feats that are peculiar to them, but which are not actually true. For example, I don't believe that the actuak sky is shaped out of Ymir's skull as described in Thor, but I think that Asgard has a portion/dimension/aspect of it where that is true. Similarly, I think Hercules/Atlas held up what the Olympians called the heavens, never mind that it was not actually the entire sky. That's silly.

In that case, Marvel hercules got more than one silly feat above DCU Herc, who claimed to WW, he never did any of them.

Im curious to find out wich kind of info led J, claim, what he just claimed. Maybe some hidden years publication for the DC version of the character that i am not aware.

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> > > > Wonder Woman Volume One #105, reveals that Diana was formed from clay by the Queen of the Amazons and was imbued with the attributes of the Greek gods by Athena - "beautiful as Aphrodite, wise as Athena, swifter than Hermes, and stronger than Hercules."
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> > > > So yeah, there really IS NO DOUBT, Wonder Woman IS stronger than Hercules. Straight from DC. 'Nuff said.
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> > > Uh . . . Hercules from DC is NOT the same as Hercules from Marvel.
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> > > > > There's no question that Marvel's strongest roughly equal D.C.'s strongest, and that Herc is probably as strong (or almost as strong, or stronger than) WW. I hate that it's the case, because I find DC feats to be pretty silly, and long for the days when the most you might ever accomplish is pushing over a building.
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> > > > > Nevertheless, we know from JLA v. Avengers that Thor is roughly equal to Supes, and that Herc is roughly equal to Thor. To the extent WW is as strong as Supes, she's as strong as Thor and Herc. I don't buy that she's as strong as any of them, personally, for reasons that are pretty obvious. If WW is as strong as Supes but more skilled, then she should beat him every time. Arguing a la J that she's never gone all out against him simply misses the point. That is, arguing that she's never gone all out against him explains why she's never beaten him, but it doesn't explain DC's position that Supes is top dog, i.e., if she is his physical equal, then DC's position that Supes is top dog is false. You can't have it both ways, citing DC editorial as canon yet pointing to the fact of her superior skills. She's either very skilled and not as strong, or DC's not telling the truth.
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> > > > > Frankly, I think she's not as strong, but in the ballpark, not as durable, not as fast, but a way better fighter, and consequently just as formidable. Supes, CM, BA, Herc and Thor, however, are slightly above her pay grade.
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