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Subj: Hyperbole doesn't supplant established Cannon...."stronger than Hercules" STILL means Stronger than Hercules....Until ret-conned....(NT)
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:30:41 pm EDT (Viewed 35 times)

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> > Wonder Woman Volume One #105, reveals that Diana was formed from clay by the Queen of the Amazons and was imbued with the attributes of the Greek gods by Athena - "beautiful as Aphrodite, wise as Athena, swifter than Hermes, and stronger than Hercules."
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> > What part of "stronger than Hercules" do you not understand?
> > Until DC retracts that in entirety, you MUST accept it as part of the established CANNON of the character.
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> > Stop quibbling with known facts.
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> Marvel stated Thunderstrike was invincible, but he got beat at least once nearly every issue he was in. Hulk claims to be the strongest one there is, but his strength feats have been matched by Thor and Hercules and other beings have been shown/stated to be far stronger.
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> It is called hyperbole.
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Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 02:58:03 pm EDT
- Pertty Much right on!!! NT · Master · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:07:04 pm EDT
  - Agreed as well, as physicability goes (nt) · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:16:58 am EDT
- Re: A-Gah'reed (no text) · atrimus · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:30:55 pm EDT
- Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:04:52 pm EDT
  - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · Oculporate · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:16:06 am EDT
    - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:03:11 am EDT
  - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · Primetime · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:59:07 pm EDT
  - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:27:43 pm EDT
    - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 08:24:07 pm EDT
      - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · The Last Word · Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:47:50 pm EDT
      - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:11:57 am EDT
- A little excerpt from Wonder Woman's character profile on DC's own site..... · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:42:41 pm EDT
  - Allow me to step in... · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:17:48 pm EDT
    - Nice of you to mention DC Herc getting his powerups from the Gods to bring him to Superman level....Lets also not forget what happens when Wonder Woman does the same ... · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:32:00 pm EDT
      - you should ignore him. his whole post is based on characters that don't even exit (pre crisis). (no text) · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 08:29:06 pm EDT
        
        I could care less if you don't like my post, but inciting others to ignore another on THIS BOARD is forbidden in the rules of conduct, this IS A DEBATE oriented boar ... · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:26:52 pm EDT
        
        Dont be bitter, J. Whati wanted to ilustrate is clear. To think *you* of all people gets to call mods for anything :) · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:49:01 am EDT
        huh? · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:13:38 pm EDT
        
        ahh, ok, my bad.... · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:17:42 pm EDT
        
        I don't think I disagree with you much... · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:35:20 pm EDT
        
        Re: I think I disagree with you much... · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:54:18 am EDT
        
        Re: I think I disagree with you much... · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:04:36 am EDT
        
        Re: I think I disagree with you much... · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:16:55 pm EDT
      - Re: Nice of you to mention DC Herc getting his powerups from the Gods to bring him to Superman level....Lets also not forget what happens when Wonder Woman does the ... · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:39:48 pm EDT
    - Good post (nt). · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:20:14 pm EDT
      - Thanks, but i actually need to add two important details.. · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:28:17 pm EDT
  - Re: A little excerpt from Wonder Woman's character profile on DC's own site..... · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:44:35 pm EDT
    - The DC Heracles performed the same Labors as the Marvel Hercules... · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:05:51 pm EDT
      - Perez says that is false... · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:59:19 pm EDT
        
        No adressing to this, J? This is about the post crisis history :) · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:15:34 am EDT
      - Re: The DC Heracles performed the same Labors as the Marvel Hercules... · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:32:52 pm EDT
        
        Re: The DC Heracles performed the same Labors as the Marvel Hercules... · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:37:14 pm EDT
      - A serious case of major bias: · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:22:21 pm EDT
        
        I won't believe this until I see DC retract the following..... · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:48:53 pm EDT
        
        Belive in all the foolish logic you want.. · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:02:03 am EDT
        
        I dont need to prove diddly...."stronger than Hercules" is Canon for Wonder Woman....you can cry about the comic books all you want, but all that shows is that.... · Defensor · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:22:40 am EDT
        
        Well, its official.. · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:20:30 pm EDT
        
        Edit. "without factual evidence (...)" · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:21:08 pm EDT
        
        Its also pretty clear that Captain Marvel, with the strength of Hercules, is equal to Superman... · Braugi · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:23:52 pm EDT
        
        Re: Its also pretty clear that Captain Marvel, with the strength of Hercules, is equal to Superman... · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:36:31 pm EDT
        
        Re: Its also pretty clear that Captain Marvel, with the strength of Hercules, is equal to Superman... · Braugi · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:41:30 pm EDT
        
        Re: Its also pretty clear that Captain Marvel, with the strength of Hercules, is equal to Superman... · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:50:57 pm EDT
        
        lets put it another way... · Braugi · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:30:48 pm EDT
        
        another example... · Braugi · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:33:07 pm EDT
        
        wha, huh!? · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:46:51 pm EDT
        
        Re: wha, huh!? · Braugi · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:25:22 pm EDT
        
        Re: wha, huh!? · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:54:15 pm EDT
        
        continuity supports Ben Grimm being competitive with the Hulk in strength... · Braugi · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:42:32 pm EDT
        
        Re: continuity supports Ben Grimm being competitive with the Hulk in strength... · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:51:47 pm EDT
        
        actually, thats not true... · Braugi · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 05:22:26 pm EDT
        
        Re: actually, thats not true... · J · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:51:38 pm EDT
        
        Agreed. I can see where J comes from, with all the wonder power, since some boards rate her lower, but hes beyond the point. he wont hear you (nt) · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:28:41 pm EDT
        
        One time... · seeker · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 08:47:50 pm EDT
        
        Hyperbole doesn't supplant established Cannon...."stronger than Hercules" STILL means Stronger than Hercules....Until ret-conned....(NT) · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:30:41 pm EDT
        
        The problem is it is not established canon has others have provided evidence of... · seeker · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:58:47 pm EDT
        
        Hyperbole (vs.) Canon.....let's see.... · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:12:24 pm EDT
        
        Really? · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:06:19 am EDT
        Re: Hyperbole (vs.) Canon.....let's see.... · Poltargyst · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:40:04 pm EDT
        
        Re: Hyperbole (vs.) Canon.....let's see.... · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:09:33 am EDT
    - "A rose by any other name....yet still a rose", so either which way, WW's STILL stronger....sheesh....(NT) · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:53:54 pm EDT
      - "and yet, one rose can be particular distinct from another rose". Sheesh! · Olympian · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 04:12:52 am EDT
      - I like how currently we have more information about Marvel Hercules and his past efforts, than ever, and yet "DCU Herc" is still stronger in J`s mind..(nt) · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:26:01 pm EDT
      - So are you saying she is stronger than Superman? · seeker · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:25:53 pm EDT
        
        Supes has proven MANY times over he's physically stronger than she is.....(NT) · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:58:57 pm EDT
        Re: So are you saying she is stronger than Superman? · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:31:45 pm EDT
        
        Re: So are you saying she is stronger than Superman? · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:32:28 pm EDT
        Re: So are you saying she is stronger than Superman? · seeker · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:54:21 pm EDT
        
        Re: So are you saying she is stronger than Superman? · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:05:39 pm EDT
        Re: So are you saying she is stronger than Superman? · J · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:56:42 pm EDT
        
        Re: So are you saying she is stronger than Superman? · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:34:30 pm EDT
- Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · Daveym · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:08:18 pm EDT
  - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:28:40 pm EDT
  - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:47:03 pm EDT
    - Re: Marvel v. DC (Herc v. WW), from below · Daveym · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:58:29 pm EDT
      - Oh i agree.. · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:39:52 pm EDT
        
        Re: Oh i agree.. · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:59:08 pm EDT
        
        Re: Oh i agree.. · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:22:59 pm EDT
        
        I concur. · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:42:17 pm EDT
        Re: Oh i agree.. · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:39:29 pm EDT
        
        Re: Oh i agree.. · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:47:43 pm EDT
        
        Ok... · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:12:37 pm EDT
        
        hehe.. · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:22:51 pm EDT
        
        But Thor's hammer has never really been shown to be more effective than his own fist. · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:14:51 pm EDT
        
        I would tend to agree with you... · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:28:17 pm EDT
        
        I disagree... · Vangrab · Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 12:45:59 pm EDT
        Re: I would tend to agree with you... · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:40:01 pm EDT
        
        Re: Oh i agree.. · Rehzon · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:51:41 pm EDT
        
        Re: Oh i agree.. · Olympian · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:34:41 pm EDT
        Yeah... · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:01:13 pm EDT
        
        Re: Yeah... · Rehzon · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:16:11 pm EDT
      - I agree · ARCHNEMESIS · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:16:06 pm EDT
        
        Re: I agree · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:42:14 pm EDT
        
        Re: I agree · ArtTeacher · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:55:16 am EDT
        Re: I agree · dave · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:05:32 pm EDT
        
        Re: I agree · The Last Word · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:17:47 pm EDT
        
        Re: I agree · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:43:07 pm EDT
        
        I'm glad someone else said that because people will swallow it easier than if I had... thanks (no text) · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:27:04 pm EDT
        Hulk only stays competitive because of his healing factor, NOT JUST his strength....(NT) · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:21:26 pm EDT
        
        Then how does one explain the decades of "competiveness" before a healing factor was even established or shown? *N/T* · ArtTeacher · Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:48:01 am EDT
        I think he also has a degree of high durability and toughness :) NT · Rehzon · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:59:26 pm EDT
        Re: Hulk only stays competitive because of his healing factor, NOT JUST his strength....(NT) · Daveym · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:02:19 pm EDT
        
        LMAO, hey, love the Hulk spitting on Namor scan....I wonder if Namor gets a Power-up boost cause of the drenching?....LMAO....or for that matter... · Defensor · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:56:37 pm EDT
        
        I was wondering the same lol (no text) · Would be Watcher · Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:13:43 pm EDT