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Braugi

Subj: Re: Its also pretty clear that Captain Marvel, with the strength of Hercules, is equal to Superman...
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:50:57 pm EDT (Viewed 42 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Its also pretty clear that Captain Marvel, with the strength of Hercules, is equal to Superman...
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:41:30 pm EDT



> The comics statement is about the only evidence out there, so thats WHY I think she's probably very slightly stronger.

Multiple statements.

> as pointed out in other threads, it was hardly an embarassment. I also do not recognize the crossover as canon.

What you CONSIDER canon is irrelevant -- the continuity of the comics themselves support the story as canon.

And, yes, Hercules got embarrassed. He ended up on the floor in a choke hold.

> > How's that for a comparison?
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> > > > > > > Thats strike one. Lets look at strike two:
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> > > > > > > Marvel Hercules has done them all as per the continuity in his universe. The only one that has been a contention for doubt, going back and forth over the decades of publication has been the stables feat. Under Marvel current continuity (and we all know another writer will retcon it again) this particular labour marks his first meeting ever, bewteen Hercules and Gilgamesh.
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> > > > > > > Lets end wih strike three, for the "oh he had assist sometimes" cryout:
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> > > > > > > The whole notion that because Athena and Hermes walked around and assisted him directly in something like 3 of the 10/12 labours, is nothing but pure bias, given how Wonder Woman rarely sports a single high feat *withou* direct assist from her teammates.
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> > > > > > > Again, i want to know, why you attack one character that had some assist, but are appearantly fine with Wonder Woman getting help, in nearly every major feat.
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> > > > > > > In conclusion, and this is no novelty in reality, both Myth and Marvel Hercules are stronger than both Wonder Woman and DCU Heracles.
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> > > > > > Wonder Woman Volume One #105, reveals that Diana was formed from clay by the Queen of the Amazons and was imbued with the attributes of the Greek gods by Athena - "beautiful as Aphrodite, wise as Athena, swifter than Hermes, and stronger than Hercules."
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> > > > > > What part of "stronger than Hercules" do you not understand?
> > > > > > Until DC retracts that in entirety, you MUST accept it as part of the established CANNON of the character.
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> > > > > > Stop quibbling with known facts.
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> > > > > This is a forum that requires PROOF above simple statements, Defensor. Can you provide me proof from the comics have her being consistantly stronger than the DC version?
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> > > > > You want facts, dont you? Hercules has been rated higher than Hulk in some Handbook editions.
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> > > > > There, hes stronger than Hulk.
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> > > > > telling everyone, that just because her theme is in comparation with "her" Hercules, that shows up in "her" title that is "different" than other versions, that she is automatically stronger than every version out there, even when she doesnt match up in feats?
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> > > > > Dont be assasine.You are shooting rigth down at your own foot, with one of the most flawed debate logic you can have around.
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> > > > > J, just said some posts ago that he doesnt validate Marvel Hercule`s history and featology even when he got ON panel treatment in that regard while DCU "Hercules" does not. And thats a fact.
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> > > > > But seems that both of you care little about facts, dont you?
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> > > > > > > > > > Wonder Woman Volume One #105, reveals that Diana was formed from clay by the Queen of the Amazons and was imbued with the attributes of the Greek gods by Athena - "beautiful as Aphrodite, wise as Athena, swifter than Hermes, and stronger than Hercules."
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> > > > > > > > > > So yeah, there really IS NO DOUBT, Wonder Woman IS stronger than Hercules. Straight from DC. 'Nuff said.
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> > > > > > > > > Uh . . . Hercules from DC is NOT the same as Hercules from Marvel.
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> > > > > > > > > > > There's no question that Marvel's strongest roughly equal D.C.'s strongest, and that Herc is probably as strong (or almost as strong, or stronger than) WW. I hate that it's the case, because I find DC feats to be pretty silly, and long for the days when the most you might ever accomplish is pushing over a building.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, we know from JLA v. Avengers that Thor is roughly equal to Supes, and that Herc is roughly equal to Thor. To the extent WW is as strong as Supes, she's as strong as Thor and Herc. I don't buy that she's as strong as any of them, personally, for reasons that are pretty obvious. If WW is as strong as Supes but more skilled, then she should beat him every time. Arguing a la J that she's never gone all out against him simply misses the point. That is, arguing that she's never gone all out against him explains why she's never beaten him, but it doesn't explain DC's position that Supes is top dog, i.e., if she is his physical equal, then DC's position that Supes is top dog is false. You can't have it both ways, citing DC editorial as canon yet pointing to the fact of her superior skills. She's either very skilled and not as strong, or DC's not telling the truth.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I think she's not as strong, but in the ballpark, not as durable, not as fast, but a way better fighter, and consequently just as formidable. Supes, CM, BA, Herc and Thor, however, are slightly above her pay grade.
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