Subj: Re: Check this out.....Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:53:07 pm EDT (Viewed 82 times)
Reply Subj: Are you kidding? Thor has one of the BEST track records out there against Marvel's Superman clone-types.....
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:32:33 pm EDT (Viewed 75 times)
See his fights with Gladiator, Nefaria, Hyperion and even Wonderman over the years. The fact is he does have problems with these opponents, yes he could shot them down real quick if he used the Hammers more exotic abilities but that is something he almost never does and something that has mixed results when he has - see Nefaria neutralising a portal he'd summoned.
| > Nice pic, but take a look at THIS:|
> Thor's hammer can reverse energy polarities (see Avengers #70 - versus Hyperion when Thor reverses the Atomic process that gave Hyperion his powers, and reduced him to the size of an Ant. To which Hyperion could do NOTHING against, and lets face it, Thor did it a LONG time ago, whereas Surfer just got around to pulling a similar trick on him only a year or so ago, right?. He was beaten, so I really don't see how Thor gets his booty handed to him sooooo handily by Marvel's Superman clone types as you show below.
You left out the fact that Gladiator had been stunned by Thor summoning the passing Living Lightning and delivering a particularly ruthless hammershot followed by brutal beating.
| > Gladiator? You use Gladiator? Thor #445 showed even lame Eric Masterson was capable of beating Gladiator down so badly, Wonderman and Vision had to litterally PULL him offa Gladiator to keep him from slaying him, and lets face it, Masterson has NEVER shown the sheer power, ferocity, and battle fighting skills that Thor has.|
Gladiator has had such varied showings it's hard to compare his average to what Superman is regularly seen doing. Two very different levels of Competence.
As you may know Gladiator beat Thor in Thor 34, needed some assistance from Tarene and the Enchantress to keep in the game and yet previously had drawn against Thor if a Fantastic Four issue.
| > In fact, the vast majority of the battles between Thor and Gladiator have shown Thor winning a clear majority of those times, and Thor has an even BETTER track record against Hyperion !!!|
You point out Hyperion there yet he actually proved equal to Gladiator in a direct test of Strength! Hyperion was logged as class 85 or so roughly yet has none of the feats or showings of even Gladiator... so work it out.
Based on his matching Hyperion in a test of strength I chalk down such excessive feats to the TK portion of his power, basically he doesn't use just strength to do these feats he's using force of mind such as when he lifted the Baxter Building or was caught inside the Invisible Girls forcefield.
| > Now, I think I know you well enough to know that you'll fire back with Gladiator's punching a planet to pieces in three punches feat. LOL. Which is indeed impressive, but look at what Thor did to top even that:|
Most of those are from the 60s. While it's fair to say his powers wander about I have seen nothing on the same scale as a Superman.
| > Thor is capable of shattering entire Mountains (Thor #156), pulverizing small Planetoids (see Thor #400), could shake an entire planet (see Thor #388), or even destroy an entire World (Thor #125).|
That was with his belt of Strength on and from a position high over the planet.
| > To really analyze the full strength of Thor, in Thor #388, Thor shook the planet Pangoria without even hitting the surface of the planet (the Celestial Exitar took the hit). |
Nobody has EVER said Thor/mjolnir isn't in principle more powerful than Superman and co... what they point out is that in a combat situation with a foe of a physical prescence he will not use them.
| > What this mean is: |
> that you can drop a dozen Hydrogen Bombs in one single place, or point, and that still wouldn't shake a whole planet. Also, Thor can destroy an entire World (Fantastic Four #339). In fact, Thor can summon the full power of his hammer to radiate with the energy of a THOUSAND SUNSâ€¦enough to even destroy an entity such as Surtur. Thor stated AFFIRMATIVELY that this incomprehensible energy gathered by his hammer would have, indeed, destroyed Surturâ€¦ the eldest, and probably the most powerful Elemental in the Marvel Universe. Only the Twighlight Sword saved Surtur from destruction (Thor-#351).
Call is fair play, call it lowering himself, whatever. He does not fight a foe of equal stature by unloading the Hammers fuller power.
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