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Daveym 
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Olympian

Subj: Re: Probobly Not. [Hulk #6]
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 07:24:01 pm EDT (Viewed 51 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Probobly Not. [Hulk #6]
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:27:45 pm EDT



> > > Marvel Hercules towed Manhattan,
> > And As J once pointed out the narrative makes clear this is to be taken with a large grain of salt...
>
> Because J said it? J always refers to Herc exageratting this feat on *another* story to make him look stronger than Thor. In this story he doesnt town Manhattan. He simply lifts it.
>
I've read that Marvel Team Up and agree with what J says on it - it goes with a large Grain of salt.

> That is the exagerattion. The other was never taken as such or retconned in a Marvel comic book story.
>
...Because the narrative made it very clear it was to be considered suspect.

> >
> > > held momentarily the same after WWH (and only pretend to have problems, to have Namora kiss him underwater, as showed inthelast ish of "incredile Hercules) and held New York together, until the chains gave in.
> > >
> > No idea what you're talking about with this or the chains... the only thing i can thing of is during his battle with Zom where he supports a beam to prevent a city block caving in? I expect Herc is actually embellishing that particular showing to impress Namora...
>
> So, is that the kind of attitude we have regarding the character? He didnt embelish really anything, other than merely adressing how he pretended to have problems in holding it underwater so Namora would end up kissing him.
>
And I will ask you to prove it. Show where he does this not insignificant feat of liftinf manhattan or i will maintian he is exagerrating his Zom-feat of bracing a city block...

> >
> > > At least two of these are cleary on a higher note than Paraside Island. Manhattan is bigger and more populated. So is New york.
> > >
> > See above - it never happened, unless you can prove me faulty here....?
>
> I think it lies in your place to prove me wrong? Just "because J said so" doesnt really cut the mustard, you will understand.
>
Okay, you asked for it....

> Not to mention, *those* arent even his biggest feats.
>
> >
> > > Out of that you still have Marvel Hercules armwrestling Thor to a standstill, with the narration claiming that said force at its peak, was enough to set Earth off its own orbit
> > Sure, whatever. (Those sixties Thor stories were like that...))
>
> Ah, again with trowing out feats because...what exactly? How about we start doing that to every other characters as well, and claim "ah that decade. Who cares? They all smoked pot!"
>
Errr, I didn't dismiss them did i? It's like holding up issues of the 60s Hulk, quaint but not particularly relevant to todays character.

> Besides, it wasent a 60`s story. It was an 80`s.
>
> >
> > > (the strain also created weather changes from the start and end of the armwrestle, to boot, punching down dimensional doors, trowing objects out of Earths orbit, and im not counting any "mythological" nature feat...because i dont even need to.
> > >
> > > Figthing record? DCU Hercules got 4/5 good showings at best.
> > >
> > He's been around 40 years so I'd expect him to. Dc Hercules has been around for maybe 20 on and off and a background bit player....
>
> So the reason you place him above a version with higher stuff to drawn from is...just the island feat?
>
Feats. He bodily lifted that island twice within a fairly short length of time - 1988 & 1991 to be exact. That puts them in a pretty immediate and close span of accesable continuity.

> Just one feat shouldnt determinate a whole record. Thats rather unusual. And not even the biggest feat among the two.
>
> >
> Its not just the volume of appearances. ts the quality and porpuse hes used for.
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> As a villain he will usually look inferior to Wonder Woman, on that point alone, and what you are counting are his recent and best showings *ever*
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I don't think his and Wonder Womans abilities have ever been tested against the other in a determined fight. But looking at his very sporadic appearances i see no reason whatsoever to think he's as feeble as you want him to be. Whether pseudo-Doomsday is knocking him across the city or he is fighting the Titans he is never less than top tier...

> "still the Heracles of myth"...yes, in the DCU context. But little to do with the actual piece.
> >

Whatever.








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