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Olympian

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Daveym 
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Subj: Re: Probobly Not. [Hulk #6]
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 07:51:16 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Probobly Not. [Hulk #6]
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 07:24:01 pm EDT (Viewed 51 times)


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> > > > Marvel Hercules towed Manhattan,
> > > And As J once pointed out the narrative makes clear this is to be taken with a large grain of salt...
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> > Because J said it? J always refers to Herc exageratting this feat on *another* story to make him look stronger than Thor. In this story he doesnt town Manhattan. He simply lifts it.
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> I've read that Marvel Team Up and agree with what J says on it - it goes with a large Grain of salt.

Nothing against it.

As long you dont really belive, thats enough to render a feat useless. Its your opinion.

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> > That is the exagerattion. The other was never taken as such or retconned in a Marvel comic book story.
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> ...Because the narrative made it very clear it was to be considered suspect.

Not the one from Marvel Team Up.

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> > >
> > > > held momentarily the same after WWH (and only pretend to have problems, to have Namora kiss him underwater, as showed inthelast ish of "incredile Hercules) and held New York together, until the chains gave in.
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> > > No idea what you're talking about with this or the chains... the only thing i can thing of is during his battle with Zom where he supports a beam to prevent a city block caving in? I expect Herc is actually embellishing that particular showing to impress Namora...
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> > So, is that the kind of attitude we have regarding the character? He didnt embelish really anything, other than merely adressing how he pretended to have problems in holding it underwater so Namora would end up kissing him.
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> And I will ask you to prove it. Show where he does this not insignificant feat of liftinf manhattan or i will maintian he is exagerrating his Zom-feat of bracing a city block...

Ask me to prove it, when it is you who claims he is lying? The burden of proof is on you, Dav. Show me how is he lying.

Since you cant tell what the context of the whole talk was, i will help you on it, resumed of course.

They wer talking about sex, or "crab holds" to be more precise. Of how they made out last time. And how Hercules is mocking Namora for being an "agent of Atlas", when jokingly refering how she bears the name for the team of the one guy that was "dumb enough" in the old days to fall for a trick of his.

And its then that he remarks "but he wasent the only one. You fell for it too"

Namora: "huh?"

"i tricked you into thinking i couldnt hold it underwater for long, so you would kiss me"

She smacks him.

Then she asks: "so....how long can you really hold underwater"? and the implication here its because she says "crabs holds (i.e: sex), work better underwater"..

Its then when the Amazons attack.

Nothing more to it. The New York feat happened in another series that came out of WWH. "Damage Control" when Hercules holds NY from breaking in two, until chains provided from DC started to break in.

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> > > > At least two of these are cleary on a higher note than Paraside Island. Manhattan is bigger and more populated. So is New york.
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> > > See above - it never happened, unless you can prove me faulty here....?
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> > I think it lies in your place to prove me wrong? Just "because J said so" doesnt really cut the mustard, you will understand.
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> Okay, you asked for it....

Im waiting for it.

What i see is a tongue-in-cheeck narration box, where the editor exclaims how even he cant belive such an impressive feat took place before theyr eyes.

It doesnt say "out of continuity - it never happened.", nor was it meant to be an "what-if" or any sorts.

The whole series is still in continuity as far as i know.

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> > Not to mention, *those* arent even his biggest feats.
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> > >
> > > > Out of that you still have Marvel Hercules armwrestling Thor to a standstill, with the narration claiming that said force at its peak, was enough to set Earth off its own orbit
> > > Sure, whatever. (Those sixties Thor stories were like that...))
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> > Ah, again with trowing out feats because...what exactly? How about we start doing that to every other characters as well, and claim "ah that decade. Who cares? They all smoked pot!"
> >
> Errr, I didn't dismiss them did i? It's like holding up issues of the 60s Hulk, quaint but not particularly relevant to todays character.

So we have an understanding of an existance of one feat higher than everything DCU Herc ever did post crisis.

The rest is merely..your opinion about said stories, and not really fact. And the fact is, the one that looks more impressive its Marvel Hercules.

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> > Besides, it wasent a 60`s story. It was an 80`s.
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> > >
> > > > (the strain also created weather changes from the start and end of the armwrestle, to boot, punching down dimensional doors, trowing objects out of Earths orbit, and im not counting any "mythological" nature feat...because i dont even need to.
> > > >
> > > > Figthing record? DCU Hercules got 4/5 good showings at best.
> > > >
> > > He's been around 40 years so I'd expect him to. Dc Hercules has been around for maybe 20 on and off and a background bit player....
> >
> > So the reason you place him above a version with higher stuff to drawn from is...just the island feat?
> >
> Feats. He bodily lifted that island twice within a fairly short length of time - 1988 & 1991 to be exact. That puts them in a pretty immediate and close span of accesable continuity.

Yes, they are certainly valid. But thats not the point.

The point is, it doenst match up or surpass what Marvel Hercules has done for a record.

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> > Just one feat shouldnt determinate a whole record. Thats rather unusual. And not even the biggest feat among the two.
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> > >
> > Its not just the volume of appearances. ts the quality and porpuse hes used for.
> >
> > As a villain he will usually look inferior to Wonder Woman, on that point alone, and what you are counting are his recent and best showings *ever*
> >
> I don't think his and Wonder Womans abilities have ever been tested against the other in a determined fight. But looking at his very sporadic appearances i see no reason whatsoever to think he's as feeble as you want him to be. Whether pseudo-Doomsday is knocking him across the city or he is fighting the Titans he is never less than top tier...

Yeah, hes top tier. No one will ever say the Thingis able to do what he did.

But the comparation is with a more impressive top tier.

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> > "still the Heracles of myth"...yes, in the DCU context. But little to do with the actual piece.
> > >
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> Whatever.

So your rating is based on personal readings.

Ok.

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