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Would be Watcher

Location: Canada
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Defensor

Subj: Re: Took Superman & Wonder Woman & Martian Manhunter to halt the passage of something REAL big recently, remember?.....
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:05:36 pm EDT (Viewed 79 times)
Reply Subj: Took Superman & Wonder Woman & Martian Manhunter to halt the passage of something REAL big recently, remember?.....
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:27:16 pm EDT (Viewed 79 times)



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> > ...you actually do here what I fight against 95% of the time on this board. You present the utmost best of your favorite and compare it to the average of the guy you want to put below your guy. It's not fair. If you use Thor's best you also have to use Superman or whoever else best or settle for Thor honest average.
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> > For example:
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> > Superman best flight speed PC are a few times to a few thousands of times faster than light. But I agree it's not his average Post Crisis. However pretending Thor flight speed is 3 times the speed of light or better is not accurate. Heck! superman got more portrayal than thor going FTL. So wheter you use the average for both or the hight end for both. Let's not even enter the realm of super-speed for obvious reasons...
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> > Same for strenght. And BTW, the Midgard serpent is not a good feat to use because of it's nature and absolutely doesn't represent the average for Thor. Superman average and hight strenght showing pulverize Thor's. Thor doesn't got that many of them and they aren't as impressive.
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> Not as impressive? Supes hasn't punched a planet to smitherine's like Thor has twice.
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2 things here:

1) Thor hammer stroke are NOT only strenght realated. There's and added power from the mechanic of wielding an extended tool and the energy coming from the hammer also add to the striking force apparently.

2)Superman feats of that scopea re pushing or pulling. But on average his strenght feat are way higher.

> Lets not forget, too:
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> People were REALLY impressed by Cpt. Billy Marvel striking down Superman with his magic lightning. Pretty powerful, that, but lets not forget that Thor has been on the receiving end of Zeus and Blitziana's LIGHTNING bolts, before. I could be wrong, but I think Zeus is FAR more powerful than Cpt. Billy Marvel is, and Thor continued the fight with Zeus impressively, while Superman was CLEARLY weakened and practically wobbling around punchdrunk at first. Yet Superman's feats pulverize Thor's?
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1)Cap Marvel lightning IS the power of Zeus.
2)Kingdom Come, because it's what you refer too, is an elseworld.
3)Even with the several lightning in KC, Superman endured to win the fight.
4)Superman took far more powerful energy attacks than that and survived them all.
5)What has that got to do with strenght?

> Thor's immortal life force could be more powerful than the mystical properties of his hammer; that when combined with the power of his hammer can release incredible amounts of energy (Thor #388).
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> Galactus tasted defeat when Thor used the Life Force on him (see Thor #161).
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You see, you again turn toward a one shot long time no see feat as if it's Thor average. Thor struggle with far far far far far far less than Galactus 99.999999999999999% of the time. Superman has done plenty of those pesky one shot things but I refuse to say it's normal when clearly some aren't plain and simple.

> Thor’s Life-Force, or God-Force, also destroyed the Brain Dome of the 20,000 ft. tall Celestial Exitar; which should be many times more durable than Adamantiun considering their thousands, if not, millions of years of technology ahead of the human race.
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I don't think the celestial shell are that ubber sorry. Incredibly powerful yes but not to the point many here fancy. Much less than that has been shown to do more than poke a tiny hole and the celestial don't seem to care at all when their shell are breached as they don't seem to depend on it. Beside, you again turn to extremes. Do I consider superman will always go to the sun and pull an OWaW every time I talk about him vs someone else? No. He did ONCE and it wasn't normal. But hey! he really was powerful to the point it was ridiculous and if one shot exploits are fair...


> Also, the Destroyer using ALL OF HIS POWERS at his command could not destroy Thor’s Life-Force (see Thor #381).
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And ? How can I use this when comparing with superman? You didn't read what I said no? I didn't want to start a braggin war. I wanted you to use similar showings in your comparison. If thor hight are used use superman's hight. If you want to use superman's average use Thor's average. It's fairer. Wheter you think Thor is more powerful than superman or not is yours to decide but if you want to "prove" it at least attempt it fairly. Anyway, I'll call it a night. Work to do for tomorow ... cya \:\-\)

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> > Same for durability. Surviving a nebulous nuke once maybe is not Thor average at all. But it's superman bread and butter. The low showings of thor are also much lower and his hight not as hight.
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> > Also, when you use a clone to demosntrate a point it's wise not to assume they are anything like the real deal. They are not for the simple fact they are Marvel's properties made to loose to their guys. They are, by definition, loosers. Like wise when you use a character only Thor has fought. What does it give us as an argumentation that he could beat Ulik or whatever else when used to compare DC characters?
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> > I don't agree with your conclusions but what I wanted to point out wasn't your conclusions as much as your methods. Be fair and others will be too. At least they'll be more enclined to be.
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