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Kwan Jang Nim

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Subj: Re: Thing vs Luke Cage
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 09:55:49 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Thing vs Luke Cage
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 08:33:46 pm EDT

> > While I agree that Grimm is stronger and would win by superior fire power, Cage likely is the more durable of the two. Even pre-power up when they fought , Ben commented that Cage's durability rivaled his. It should be noted though that back when Cage replaced Ben in the FF, he was very close to Ben's strength when Ben was using the exo-skeleton that gave Ben roughly 90% of his normal Class 85 strength. In other words, Cage was all over the place strength-wise until jis "power up". In one story he might be a 3-tonner and another he might be a Class 70-75 tonner. His durability has always been at least that of a Class 90- Class 100 character though.
> I've always seen him as class 30 strength with class 100 puncture durability and class 75 blunt durability. I say this based on the way guys like the Wrecker have knocked him around. Even in New Avengers, he was clearly no match for Carnage. I think this is important because Carnage's big threat is that he is fast and can cut through about anything. Now Carnage couldn't cut Cage but was still beating him down with only class 30 strength. I know the symbiotes tend to play a little above their weight class at times but I don't think we would see him doing this to Thing. However, Anti-Venom (another Eddie Brock symbiote-type creature) was knocking around Radiation Man recently and he is pretty up there in strength.

Depictions have widely varied under different creative teams. What is really interesting is that back in the '70's before Cage's "power up", he beat the Wrecker very convincingly when he was subbing for Ben in the FF. IMO, his power up was simply an excuse to finally establish what level his strength was really at. Prior to this, writers like Jo Duffy during her time on PM/IF had him barely above peak human (and many of my brown belt students would have wiped the floor with her version of Iron Fist) while other teams had him roughly the level of a young Colossus. His durability has always been higher than his strength though. At least his "power up" gave Marvel a way to finally establish where in the strength heiarchy they wanted to place Cage.

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