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Nucleon

In Reply To
RodimusPrime

Member Since: Sat Nov 15, 2008
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Subj: In All Due Respects...
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 04:09:00 am EDT (Viewed 128 times)
Reply Subj: Funny...
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 at 01:22:29 am EDT (Viewed 114 times)



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    ... you go on and on about concepts, and how we have to look at the concept of the character... and I've counter-argued that the continuity of the character is just as important as the concept, if not moreso. 


And I disagreed, reserving myself the right to ignore either ridiculously high/low showings pwerwise. I agree that continuity is important on a historical aspect, but if we are to gauge powers we should do like the scenarists themselves do and look at concepts.


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    Well, in the case of Superboy Prime, the CONCEPT and the CONTINUITY of the character both point to one thing, he's just not stopped that easy.

    (...) Yet, the GLs, who have the very same potential as Surfer, fail to stop a character that has been specifically utilized to BE unstoppable (resisting universe destroying blasts, seemingly unkillable, seemingly unbeatable), and you just insult DCs writing.


It reminds me of WWH; All the guy has is brutal, undeniable physical superiority yet all who opposed them had nothing to offer but brute strenght; Gone, the mentalists, the micro-surgeons, the power-drainers, the time-stoppers, all for the sakes of fly-byes and energy blasts. How fecking convenient.

You've got these GLs who are supposed to be able to do anything including read minds and travel throught time yet no one can find better than to throw useless energy blasts and get slaughtered wholesale.

Comics are devoluting, for crying out loud. Marvel gets as stupid as DC in that sector.


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    You like to point out all the stuff that Surfer can do.  Well, the GLs are an army of guys that can do the exact same thing... Surfer is more powerful than most of them, if not all, as they are limited by their will (which is why some are more powerful and capable than others), but there is the rare exception like Hal.
 

Saying that the GLs can substitute the Surfer is like saying that Cap America can substitute Superman; The Surfer's got a superpowered form; He's got cosmic awareness; he's got thousands of years of experience. More importantly, is the source of his own power.


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    And your point on absolutes... every time you are involved in a post with Surfer as a topic, you present him and his power as an absolute, and just look the other way when Surfer has been shown to lose. Or you go on about what he CAN do, instead of how he actually operates in a comic.


I never said the Surfer had any absolute; I agree when he loses to Thor or when he looks ordinary facing Terrax; I can sleep well even if I believe that he can be beaten. He has his limits and I recognize them. And no, I'm not too much into his planet-blowing phase actually. You must confuse me with somebody else.
 
Furthermore; The very nature of the Surfer's power makes that his title is about innovation, or trying to sort out the problem by "thinking out of the box". Thus, we may have a harder case defining what exactly is a Surfer's "standard" power.



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    *GASP* it's possible for a DC character to be as powerful and capable as a Marvel character, even more powerful in some cases.


I'll go further and advance that it is also possible for a Marvel character to be written with the same naivité than that of a DC one.


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