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Subj: Re: I Knew It!
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 08:18:38 pm CST (Viewed 18 times)
Reply Subj: I Knew It!
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 07:01:12 pm CST (Viewed 126 times)
Quote:LoL!!! I Knew this dodge would happen! I even predicted it....
Uh, there is no dodge except the many you practice.
Quote:But Okay, Here goes.
Quote:Why do you post Superman pounding the moon and nothing happening beyond what J'onn supposedly anticipated would happen? Blue Marvel did that.
Quote:I keep posting it as it is evidence Primetime and so far as I'm aware Blue Marvel is not Thor or the Hulk any more than the Hulk rivals Sentry. I think the fact Blue Marvel has never reapeared and doesn't look likely to says something. Like Hyperion, Gladiator or Sentry these characters start out Uber and go down from there...
But Sentry stalemated/beat Blue Marvel and Hulk stalemated Sentry
Quote:We know after a powered Up hulk stalemates Sentry that a normal Hulk should logically be flatout floored by him. That's what Sentry's position in the MU earth is after all - top dog plot killer.
Hulk was predominantly powered up by his anger, which is actually part of his power anyway. And he stalemated a being who beat the Molecule Man.
Quote:I post it as but one component of my contribution to showing Supermans powerlevel (see above post where you flat-out say you have evidence Thor/the Hulk rival Supermans powerlevel. But not surprisingly don't want to divulge it).
I have divulged it repeatedly. You ignore. Notice how others have noticed the same thing.
Quote:That feat is just one of Supermans, one of a string of feats he shows quite regularly and consistently and are a very accurate and reliable measuring stick of his average powerlevel.
You mean hand picked feats that you treat as average.
Quote:If all Superman had on this scale was that Moon moving feat back in JLA 56 we would not be having this discussion i can assure you but the frequency of Supermans feats makes any downplaying of them impossible. It is like trying to argue the Silver Surfer is no more powerful than Firestorm. Illogical.
You post 3 planetary feats performed with help in a 10 year period and that is ALL that you use to define the character. Again, I ask you to respond to why Doomsday, The General, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Orion, Darkseid, Konvikt, Grundy, etc. have no planetary feats nor any continental nor mountain feats? Based on your logic, they are far weaker that Superman. You will ignore this of course.
Quote:Why do you keep posting where Black Racer's energy release scars the moon?
Quote:See above. These are just three feats I selected to back up my point, there are many many more. As you well know.
How does Black Racer's power back up you Superman fetish?
Quote:When is that Majestic feat. Isn't it during his pre-DC days?
Quote:It is during his initial series, so far as I know it is still canon and has never been said to be out. It tallies just fine with his subsequent feats in all his series since and at one point he is seen taking an explosion that obliterates the earth & Moon and this is the extreme level he has been played on consistently.
Beta Bill has taken such explosions. You want to discard Marvel's silver age feats while bringing up silver age low showings, yet you want to hold on to pre-DC Majestic feats. No consistency at all.
Quote:And isn't that an obscure issue of Superman and GL's flashback?
Quote:What? JLA #29 from earlier this year?
It was a filler issue that interrupted an ongoing arc and the entire story was flashback story being told by Starbreaker about his FIRST encounter with the JLA? What is your definition of obscure (I'm sure you will fit the definition to your liking)?
Quote:Post Hulk destroying an asteroid 2X Earth's size.
Quote:I could, but then i can also post a scan of Iron Man destroying a mountain the size of a city from Avengers Annual #16. What does it prove? Especially when it isn't indicative of eithers norm?
It's a high showing and if you were consistent, you would include it as you routinely include DC high showings that are not average.
Quote:Post Gladiator destroying a planet with punches.
Quote:I can do that too, but again this is not his norm. Defalco's Thor would be dead if it was, Ditto Jurgens Thor.... or the Hulk.
Neither would be dead.
Quote:Post Drax ripping the core out of a star.
Quote:Why? What has this to do with Thor or the Hulk?
Merged Hulk stalemated an even stronger version Drax than this.
Quote:Post Drax and Thanos destroying a planet.
Quote:See above. I never said Superman etc are stronger than ANYONE in the MU I said he is demonstrable more powerful physically than the earthbased tier.
Again, Hulk has stalemated Drax and Blood and Thunder Thor beat him.
Quote:Post Terrax splitting a planet.
Sentry dominated Terrax and WWH stalemated Sentry.
Quote:You have just proved my point to a Tee with this post.
You mean that you are bias, inconsistent and dishonest?
Quote:The simple fact is the only time the Hulk has shown he might have planetary level strength is right there in the meltdown issue of World War Hulk, In that lone issue under very singular and likely unrepeatable conditions you get something roughly on the scale of Supermans feats up there in my post above.
We saw it begin to be repeated (something that you are in denial of). And you again ignore 2x Earth asteroid, resisting force that could move a planet, resisting the attraction between matter and antimatter, lighting the dark cosmos with a punch and destroying it with a thunder clap, etc. Plus, he holds his own against beings of planetary power. Just like Onslaught, Destroyer, The Cosmic Order, Gladiator, etc.
Quote:But under any normal circumstance he and Thor etc have never shown that level of sheer power, and it's not as if anybody could succesfully argue the Hulk has been holding out the last 45 years.(rasta)
Under normal circumstances, Superman requires thousands of Kryptonians to move a moon as we see or strains to stop a space ship or struggles to lift a helicopter, etc.