Subj: Re: To pick one point out of this rather sweeping debate, I don't think it necessarily took Herc, Wonder Man, She-Hulk, etc. to put Supes down.....Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 05:26:33 am CST (Viewed 85 times)
Reply Subj: To pick one point out of this rather sweeping debate, I don't think it necessarily took Herc, Wonder Man, She-Hulk, etc. to put Supes down.....
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 03:01:16 am CST (Viewed 80 times)
In JLA/Avengers after the Thor/Supes fight.
Yes, they did all jump him and put him down. But was that required to do the deed? We don't have any real way of knowing that. He looked pretty spent, so I tend to think any one of them could have done the job without a tremendous amount of trouble, but that's conjecture.
Unluckily for him, they just all happened to jump in. But I don't think there's anything in the book to suggest they were all needed to finish him off.
Of course, defeating Thor is feat enough and even surviving the en masse attack afterwards is just more proof of why the guy is justly called Superman. But as to whether or not it actually required that much force to do the job, I don't think that was ever stated.
If I have a friend hold up a sheet of typing paper with both hands and then grab a sledgehammer to rip through the paper, well, it does the job but I probably didn't need the sledgehammer.
I think the sequence is unambiguous myself but the point i've made is that it is not unusual for underdogs to make extremely good accounts of themselves in a fight whether that Be Wonder Woman Vs. Superman, Hawkman Vs. Black Adam, Wolverine/Samson/Ben Grimm Vs. the Hulk or Spider-man/Wolverine Vs. Thor.
I have no problem with the Thor/Superman fight at all as with the Hammer Thor can close the gap to a large extent but in no way does that mean they are on the same page in terms of Physical strength or Stamina and that's what the fight ultimately shows.
And I do think that those Avengers are beating down Superman by going allout, I just cannot picture them pounding with that amount of fury (note Hercs Mace particularly) on a severely weakened or unconcious opponent. They beat him that hard because that's what it takes.