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Daveym 
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Location: Lancashire
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
In Reply To
Nucleon

Subj: Not To Me!
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 03:18:28 pm EST (Viewed 91 times)
Reply Subj: It's Obvious.
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 02:28:18 pm EST (Viewed 81 times)




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    But as i've repeatedly pointed out Superman (and other DCUers) have been jacked up in terms of power to such a degree I just don't necessarilly see a means of comparison anymore to MU toptier.



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    If this was oldschool Pre-DoS superman it would be a level playing field pretty much but just these last two or three years alone DC have unequivocally laid down the law on Supermans powerlevel with feats that are rivalling the Silver Surfers level - not Namors or the Hulks!



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    And that is purely my point. The gradual escalation in powerlevel over the last 15 years in undeniable.



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    Well, if that makes the foundation for your argumentation, it is stilted. In the same time, Superman was having troubles with the helicopter and we found out that he may be vulnerable to red lightning. Isn't that canon too?


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    Of course it's not. That's just a plot device. We all know that.

So Where was Superman having trouble with a Helicopter? I'm not familiar with it and No one seems able to answer it. Clearly You know so let's hear it!

And I acknowledge Black Lightnings success with the Red lightning assault, it derives from the idea Krytonians are affected by differing radiation wavelengths and is hardly a Top Secret. But what has it to do with anything here?


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    We also know that Superman didn't got a boost, really; the whole DC universe had a boost instead. Wonder Woman's pretty much invincible in her book. So is the Flash. And more. In fact the DCU stays the same; the relative power scale didn't change amongst the heroes (althought vilains like Darkseid paid the price); it is simply now despicted with a more sensationalistic rather than a realistic angle in comparison with the Byrne era, one that is conveniently more favorable to the heroes.


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    I'm actually surprised you don't see, or admit that.

Weird logic. None of the DCU tier are invincible, I've seen Superman & Supergirl alone nearly killed several times in the last year or so alone. You should try reading DC comics a bit, it always sounds as if you're going from second hand gossip, you should get out and read more...

And the idea the whole DCU got a Boost because of Supermans OWaW power-up is illogical and a fallacy if before Monguls Training he only fought Captain Marvel the Once (as Eclipso) and had yet to have any serious fight with Wonder Woman. Where's your proof?
Put it another way - In 1988 He fights for his life with a squad of Daxamites in The Invasion and is losing. Last year in Kurt Busieks run he is seen fighting equally with a Squad of Daxamites, at length.

In the Pre-DoS days he was no match for Psycho Daxamite Dev-Em - come just this year alone he (again) floored the Deranged Phantom Zone Brute Non near effortlessly.

Back in Action Comics annual early 90s he struggled to beat Kalibak. As late as last years New Gods series' he's comfortably fighting both Mantis AND Kalibak.

The key turning point to his being able to even threaten Darkseid Legitimatly came on the back of his power-up in Our Worlds at War, he had now enough power and more importantly experience to be able to beat Darkseid... even then it was far from easy. Before that point he was definitly not a match.
I can go on and on with the scale of his power-up but there is no evidence Everyone at DCs toptier were automatically granted power-ups just to match Superman.... you're mything it.



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      These sort of posters have become the whetstone I sharpen myself on. Every time out i get leaner, more determined and more precise in my arguments, though unfortunatly debating with the likes of Primetime is an instantly self defeating excercise, one i regrettably keep falling for. But if these kind won't leave it alone, so be it.



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    I fear you have painted yourself in a corner doing so, my friend. It's too bad, since you would be a much better poster otherwise, but it's your problem after all.


It IS my problem I agree! Nontheless I plough on....