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Subj: Re: Except...
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 at 09:13:18 pm EST (Viewed 95 times)
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 at 04:06:32 pm EST (Viewed 92 times)
Quote:He already admitted her speed in that series plus she had Hercules on the ground helpless!
Quote:Admitted what?, that she could get one shotted by a repulsor? The speed issue is tricky. Really was Supes almost flash like Speed a factor in his fight with Thor? Was Cap marvels speeed a factor in his fight with Thor? When these characters face off the whole speed advantage thing is not a factor. Why should it be a factor in this fight?
Quote:Was the JLAvengers matchup at the start of book Two over Metropolis remotely plausible or representative of any sense of reality...? No, it was not.
Really why? Is an offhand comment saying "she moved so fast" in the same series-describing non combat movement- remotely plausible? No. it was not.
Quote:If you're going to try arguing her speed advantage is a non-factor then would you object if i say his sensor array is a non-factor too?
Nope because I never claimed he would beat her with his sensor array.
Quote:You Either play these fights on a fair representation of how they both perform in their respective continuities or don't bother at all. If you read Wonder Woman her speed is one of her core powers, not some occasional bolted on ability like her empathy with Animals or Iron Mans Pulse Bolts... the Iron Man suit isn't build for physical opponents on this level and while it keeps him alive it isn't at all unbreachable, opponents as varied as spider-man, Mandarin and Namor have all shown its limitation in the last year or two alone.
And supes speed is a supposed core ability , ditto for Cap Marvel yet NEITHER were a factor in a Fight with Thor who has nowhere near that level of superspeed. Yet for Wonderwoman you claim it would be a factor because you say so...well I DISAGREE.
[quote Whichever way you look at it he is totally outclassed here. She is vastly stronger, Faster snd more maneuvreable, better combat orientated, and has a deflective trick that renders his prime attack method irrelevant. Iron Man works best if he's given time to adapt and the opponent has some chink in the armour he can work on to open them up to an even playing filed, Wonder Woman has no particular weakness however and is an equivalent to Captain America in her ability to assess an opponent on the spot and adapt on the fly to take them down. She's better than Iron Man in any physical encounter as the combination of sheer power and fighting technique is outside his ability to match - imagine The Mandarin x6 and you get Wonder Womans rough level of power & Ability.
Sorry but she is not stronger than theHulk. She is not more durable than Silver Surfer or Terrax. She HAS already been Kayoed by a repulsor. There is no way in high heaven she is 6x more powerful than Mandarin. She's probably not even 1.2 times as powerful IMO.
Quote:Well I'm sorry but once again i disagree 100%, I simply cannot conceive of ANY Iron Man suit being able to physically fight the Superman, Reverse Flash or Gods as she has.
I cant conceive her beating the Hulk, Terrax or the Surfer as HE has...
Quote:Iron Mans strength & Durability have never been very reliable when the opponent is as physical as this, the suit isn't built primarily for strength but his personal protection and mobility and it's one of the imbedded flaws in the character that despite technology evolving constantly he never gets any stronger or more durable.
He's durable enough to last against HULK, SURFER, and TERRAX in order to beat them , he sure as heck can do the same versus Wonder bread woman.
Quote:She herself can easily tear reinforced steel apart in her hands and her bracelets are absurdly all-protective, even super-sonics don't penetrate her defences and hence Repulsors are not remotely going to be a problem unless he can get her by surprise, this is someone who blocks multiple automatic gunfire as a partytrick. Iron Man can't touch that levelof overall physical ability, and that is largely my point when combined with her intelligence and superior tactical training.
Too bad she cant block a wide area affect attack. And she can block wide area sonics?Please explain that one. Do the bracelets turn into ear plugs?
Quote:Even Extremis armour, supposedly the height of what he could build to to embolden the actual Extremis augmentation, was never invulnerable or invincible. He needs Extremis here though ideally just to be able to parry some of her attack... it was never consistently portrayed but that suits potential does make him a far closer match to her than anything else he's ever worn.
Who said Ironman was unbeatable? I said he could beat wonder bread woman.
Quote:If it were Extremis she would be toast in under a minute.[/quote
Quote:If you say so...
Yes I say so.