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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 09:36:41 am EST (Viewed 48 times)
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      He was I think still weak after escaping his imprisonment as a Promethean giant and was seen draining planets dry for additional energy, he could manipulate and shut off The Source itself rendering Highfather impotent and we know that as one of the earliest New Gods he may well have been the most powerful. Other New Gods of a similar vintage were more uber than the Modern Gods and as i recall Orion himself had to face another escaped God in #14(?) of his series and managed to turn it away using the Anti-Life formula - they were seriously powerful...



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    So were the New gods a case of the lower the generational number the more powerful they were? First generation would be the most powerful with second being weaker and the third even weaker then that? Is that the impression I am getting?

It's looking like that yes, I'm not 100% clear on it myself but looking at the fact Darkseid is probobly the most powerful of the current crop of them the logic would be that the older original generation were more powerful by right of their undiluted lineage to the Old Gods. Obviously there aren't any of that older generation around (that I know of) as Darkseid stamped his authority hard, even getting rid of his mother etc.... and Khan was almost certainly elite in terms of status & power to begin with anyway.


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      It's my guess they'd be pretty even up to a point if Galactus were full power. Hard to call who could win this, though if Khan was able to lock off access to The Source I might favor him to be able to do something similar to Galactus' power. Really can't say for sure but I lean to Khan very slightly for that reasoning.



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    One difference I would state is Galactus's powers tend to be internal Beings like Highfather who get their powers from the source strike me as being more external like Juggernaut. So while that would work on Highfather it would not work on Galactus.

I fail to see why not. Khan didn't block Highfather as I recall he blocked The Source-wall that Communicated with Highfather.
Highfather doesn't summon or control the Source after all, The Source summons him.
If Khan can somehow interfere with that sort of power I can see a real case for him being able to affect Galactus direct, for another point his energy absorbtion seemed to be vastly more extreme than Galactus' is... He just had to pass a planet and it expired!


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        8. Odin (Marvel or DC or both)

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        I think it not fair to say concerning DCs Odin as data is sketchy and contradictory, there was the suggestion Odin might be considerably powerful due to strong linkage to the Old Gods and it's hard to interperet what that might mean in practise but against Marvels Odin I would favor Khan strongly. The Silver age Odin would be a more direct match perhaps but the problem is he didn't have great stamina and rarely faced anyone on his own level, definitly not a Monster like Khan.



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    What is this supposed connection Earth Odin had to the Old gods you have mentioned?

DC Odin, It was in John Byrnes Fourth World series which featured Thor/Odin and revealed while Darkseid was perfectly willing to war on other Pantheons and take their power he had deliberatly stayed well away from Asgard as it (or perhaps more directly Odin) still had strong ties to the Old Gods and was very very powerful. I don't think the subject was ever delved into further however.


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      Khans sheer power was very well put across as he escaped his Asteroid imprisonment and that sort of power was more reminiscent of Surturs first appearance in Simonsons Run. A cut above Odins. And we know Odin really struggled against Surtur.



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    Surtur is a mixed bag. In his earliest appearences he comes across as powerful, but not on par with Odin. In Simonson's runs he appears to be a bit more powerful, but part of that is attributed his proximity of the Flame of Destruction and how it was time for Ragnarok. Later appearances have him about on par with Odin.

His earliest Walt Simonson appearances are exactly what i'm getting at.
A being so powerful it is a palpable threat to the universe, even Odin is nervous, Khan only appeared for about Five issues but what we get is enough to convince he is a very serious force to be reckoned with, indeed I recall reading the original plan was for a much more expansive story that would have spread across the DCU, sales and editorial apathy did not support taking it further however.


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        6. Darkseid (not dead, without the "cannot-kill-your-parents" clause)

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        I don't think the 'can't kill him cuz he's my Dad' aspect had much to do with it, clearly Khan was simply the more powerful. Just his approach drained Apokalips' energy and dimmed the firepits and he did in hours to New Genesis what Darkseid has been trying to do for countless millenia.... it's not a good match at all.



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    Agreed, didn't Yuga Khan tear through the defenses of both planets like they were wet paper. That I something I am not aware either Orion or Darkseid ever accomplishing.



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      Given The Destroyer was never a match for Odin and Khans power goes beyond the physical I don't think he'd worry about this doomsday weopon...



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    In what ways was Khan's power beyond the physical?

Apart from draining Lifeforce on a planetary scale he had a degree of Cosmic awareness, like any true Skyfather level being his power is multi-purpose.


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        1. Mxyzptlk

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        At a guess I'd say Khan if he was confronted, if the Imp strikes from the Blue then he may well autowin it. It's like The Spectre - you can take him if it's one sided ambush, otherwse he's able to resist and fight you off.



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    Why would Khan win? As far as I know the Imps are pretty much untouchable. Emperor Joker was able to take down all of the New gods with ease.


If you read Day Of Veangeance The Spectre stomped Jakeem Thunders Imp fairly easy, About the most powerful Imp out there is Mxyzptlk yet he too has been shown to be vulnerable to certain attacks - a good example being his depowering after the Day of Veangeance affected Magic and led to his apparent death in Adventures of Superman #646.
Elsewhere in Countdown an alternate of Zatanna was able to temporarily shut off his abilities, If he can be affected like this and bearing in mind Khans power is pretty extreme I can see a case for Khan being able to deal with him. The caveat as i mentioned is one involving the exact circumstances: If Mxyzptlk strikes unannounced Khan likely has zero defence, If the Imp however announces himself upfront it's a somewhat different game. So I think it not out of the question ata all Mxyzptlk can be beaten or more likely driven into a retreat, he provenly isn't very courageous or able where opponents as powerful and evil as Khan are concerned.












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