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Underhook

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Gamma Ra

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Subj: Re: Well i'm not nor ever will be a Thor fan who uses the god factor as an excuse.....
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 12:46:22 pm EST (Viewed 6 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Well i'm not nor ever will be a Thor fan who uses the god factor as an excuse.....
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 11:14:30 am EST (Viewed 65 times)

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    God, I can't figure out how you guys can type into previous response threads anymore... I'm getting old.


You and me both. I'm still trying to figure out how to get the previous posts in that neat little scroll.?!?


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    "The Hulk is no more powerful than the history and logistics of the way his power dictates him to be, plays out. Stan Lee, again, was the writer that made it clear that if Hulk was struck with gamma rays or cosmic rays, it would increase his base level strength. So blame it on him."



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    Strength and power are two different things. Strength is basically just physical pressure exerted from contact, right? Power is different, and has many more connations. Mental powers, energy powers, magical powers, ionic powers, etc. So saying the hulk is as powerful as he orginally was isn't really correct. (Not that I'm saying a character can't change... I mean it's kind of cool that a character can evolve... to an extant)


Strength and power are really nothing more than expressions of force, and are shown in different ways. Some characters can only use that force physically and others, mentally and still others use different types of energy blasts. How much 'strength' or 'power' there is being said force is what counts. Just because someone can shoot out beams of pure energy, it does not necessarily make them more powerful or the energy beam stronger than a physical blow.


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    I dunno, I always liked the apethetic frankenstein(ish) hulk... kind of a loner, brutish, noirish creature that was extremely strong... I'm not really into cosmic for the hulk. It's kind of dorky. (heh...though some dark magic stuff could be cool, imho) I like my hulk to be closer to solomon grundy.


The apethetic Frankenstien remark, is an over simplification of a character that has 50 years of comic book character development behind him.

The Hulk has always been fighting cosmic beings. In fact his first was Metal Master in issue #3 of his original book. In that same issue, Hulk was bathed in cosmic energy, which subsequently allowed him to change to Hulk in the daytime for the first time.

Hulk is no Solomon Grundy by far, though both IMO, are monsters in their own rights.


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    I think you might have the wrong impression of sky-fathers. Their powers stem from a helluva lot more than wisdom.


Please enlighten me?


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    "Look, if a being is said to have no known limit to his strength...how much more powerful than that can you get?" To be honest, there's a decent list of merely earth born people that are more powerful, though perhaps not stronger. Right now, though... I say Hulk would beat anyone on earth, even if he isn't the most powerful, and especially if Pak is writing.



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    I should also say that right now, the hulk's healing factor might be even more impressive than his strength or other powers he's exhibiting. He's basically a smarter doomsday.


Please explain how Hulk is a smarter Doomsday.




Cool. Thanks for responding!

"Strength and power are really nothing more than expressions of force, and are shown in different ways. Some characters can only use that force physically and others, mentally and still others use different types of energy blasts. How much 'strength' or 'power' there is being said force is what counts. Just because someone can shoot out beams of pure energy, it does not necessarily make them more powerful or the energy beam stronger than a physical blow. "

I think strength is more a subset of power. Power is being able to do something in a myriad of ways, or being able to exert a desired affect without having physical contact.

Hindsight is more powerful than the gamma force. (heh) I guess what I was going for with the frankenstein reference is I like the ugly, brutish character that you can really feel for. I dunno, I don't really feel bad for the Hulk. Sure, Bruce had it tough, but no worse than some poor kid from a third world country. The hulk can pretty much do anything. He's almost too "powerful" to feel bad for, if that makes sense...

Yeah, he's been fighting cosmics for a long time. It's hard to find a rogues gallery for something that tough on earth, but I liked the idea that he was basically an earth born/bred creature. I don't like cosmic hulk. (This is really opinionated though... it's like that friday the 13th movie, Jason X, Jason in Space! Seems lame to me.)

"Please enlighten me?"

IMHO skyfathers are the top of their pantheon, imbued with the collective "godforce" of that pantheon in addition to their own innate godly powers. Their wisdom of how to use this power, while helpful, isn't THAT much of a factor. The "godforce" makes them uber.

Example 1: Look at herc. Not the sharpest tac. He's made arguable the peak skyfather, and now is able to stop time, as well as imbue a portion of his powers into other ppl.
Example 2: could be way back when Odin gave a portion of his Odinpower to heimdall. Thor through his hammer at the recently powered up heimdall and it bounced off him, which resulted in heimdall saying something along the lines of "You're power pales before mine". This is after only recently being given the power.

Basically, if you watch DBZ, skyfather power is like going from a regular saiyan to a Super saiyan 3. It's just a lot more power going through you. That's a simplified way of how I look at it, anyways.

"Please explain how Hulk is a smarter Doomsday."

Again, I must tap into the power of hindsight and say what I meant... it seems to me, the way he's currently being written, the hulk can pretty much adapt to anything, heal instantly (though I guess his throat was cut last ish... didn't read), and do whatever. Clearly he preceded doomsday, I was only refering to his adaption and healing factor.

Maybe I have a grudge against hulk on some level since Thor's been my favorite character for quite awhile. Though Commissioner Gordon is slowly creeping up there. He's just a good guy.


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