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Jeff Harey

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Subj: Re: No such thing as jobbing
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 at 12:39:23 am EST (Viewed 93 times)
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 11:13:56 pm EST (Viewed 31 times)

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In every single comic there is "jobbing". It's the job of the villians to lose, for instance.
What most call "jobbing" is simply a low end showing for a character. That same character would have "jobbed" regardless. It's the showing that counts. HOW did he "job"?
Example 1. Firelord vs spiderman.

Firelord was going to lose this battle. He was the villian. He was up against spiderman in his book. It was his job to lose. HOW he lost makes it a low end, high end, or average showing.
Had spiderman beaten him up in an alley like a street punk, that would have been a very low end showing for Firelord that went against all his other showings.
The author clearly showed firelord was beyond spiderman in power. Spiderman won barely in a desparate fight. Firelord was shown trying to best him in a physical contest, instead of just toasting the city.
Either would be "jobbing".

Example 2. Zeus vs Galactus

It was Galactus's job to lose. PAK, instead of having a normal zeus whoop Galactus, had a chaos amped zeus do it to an arrogant Galactus.

The power of a character that is destined to lose in a story, is determined by HOW he loses. We know he is going to lose.

Explain a lot of Ben Grimm's showings then. He's usually the hero and he still loses. World War Hulk was the villian (he brought a squad of powerful aliens into Manhattan, attacked dozens of heroes who had nothing to do with his exile into space and sent many of them into the same type of gladiator pit he escaped from) and he still won until he and Sentry beat each other senseless. Of course, there was the Civil War when one side practically beat the other senseless for far less of a point than the 1861-65 conflict.

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