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zvelf

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Subj: Re: Let's look at the range of fights
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 03:29:02 pm EST (Viewed 7 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Let's look at the range of fights
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 at 04:22:19 pm EST (Viewed 198 times)



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        That's a common statement, but it's baseless on reflecting on everything post-Crisis. Silver Age Superman and Superboy worked at different power levels and when we discuss them on this board, we always clarify that we are talking about Silver Age versions. The vast majority of the time, we talk about post-Crisis DC characters, and every time they've interacted with Marvel characters in a crossover, their power levels are pretty comparable.

      yes, but these crossover are politics and do not reflect when you compare DC comics to Marvel comics



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    I compared DC comics to Marvel comics and gave you scans that discount this assertion.

Maybe they discount it for you but not for me (and I am sure many others)


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        So Superman has never had such low level fights? Hmmm. Superman has been ko'd by 14-year old kid with telekinesis.

    It was still telekinesis, something mindlike if you want and this is likely to have different effects.

This is no excuse whatsoever. So you're saying Superman is particularly vulnerable to mental attacks? Thor is not and has notable psi resistance. Point to Thor.

I don't think that Superman is particularly vulnerable to mental attacks. It just seems that on this occasion he was. Although I do not remember a fight when Thor fell to a mental attack I am quite sure that there is one.
... and yes, I agree that Thor is mentally quite strong

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        Superman has lost to a whip developed by Cadmus.

      Well, yes there have been quite a lot of occasions where Superman was challenged by scientific, special weapons - this is normal and happens against almost all super heroes. This is significantly different from 'pure' power strength feats



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    No difference. It all counts.



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        Superman has been one-shot ko'd by Dr. Light.

    I do not know under which circumstances and how.

There were no mitigating circumstances. It counts.

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        Superman's been ko'd by a gas station explosion.

      Ok, this is a low showing but not as low a several of Thors.  A gas station explosion can create a lot of energy.

    An unproven assertion.

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        Superman just struggled with Deathstroke over an entire issue.



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    Wasn't Deathstroke prepared somehow?

Deathstroke was only prepared in how he's always prepared for anything.



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        Superman's has struggled against Batman for 30 years.

      Yes, but Batman is always prepared in a quite convincing way and uses Superman#s specific weaknesses. Many of Thor's low showings are not against weaknesses (probably since he does not have any)

    Superman has specific weaknesses. Thor does not. Point to Thor.
     

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        Superman's most persistent arch villain is Lex Luthor who doesn't even have super powers.

      Sure, but this is similar to Batman. Lex uses special technology and other helping to play on Superman's weaknesses.

    Again Superman's weaknesses. You can't very well claim how much more powerful Superman is to Thor and not take into account that Superman has specific weaknesses to magic, energy draining, and Kryptonite. Thor once had a 60-second rule weakness, but that's been long gone.

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With this logic Spider-Man or Captain America is more powerful than Superman since they both don't have any specific weaknesses.

uote]Because Durok was beating both Thor and Silver Surfer and broke the Surfer's board with his bare hands. Superman barely edged Thor alone.



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    you use the crossover again which I said is politics.



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    Sure, there is some politics involved, but that doesn't automatically disqualify every showing.



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        Can Superman using only his own power cause Galactus to flee?

      Quite possibly, yes, if Galactus is unprepared and does not expect such powerful being like Superman to oppose him.

    What is Superman going to do, punch Galactus out? Give me a break.

    Well, if Ben Grimm was able to do it, yes I think that Superman could do it. If he goes full throttle superspeed at Galactus and Galactus does not block somehow, I think Supes could knock him out or severally hurt him. You forget that Superman in his heyday was sometimes described as the most powerful being in the universe.

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        Can Superman using only his own power beat Ego the Living Planet, who has beaten Galactus before?

      Easily I would think

    Superman would easily beat Ego? Okay, I see it's pointless reasoning with you.

    Ego is slow. Superman could destroy Earth if he wanted to (even new version), so he can also destroy a living planet.

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        Can Superman beat Mephisto in Mephisto's own realm 3 different times?

      Yes, I am quite sure about that

    You know that Mephisto is a magical entity who fights with magic and Superman has a weakness to magic, right? But you're sure Superman would beat Mephisto.

    Superman has beaten strong magical opponents in the past. His weakness to magic is overrated.

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        Can Superman beat Adam Warlock with the Soul Gem and the Silver Surfer at the same time? 

      Yes, although Surfer is one really bad match for Superman, the only real bad match from Marvel.

    Then how would Superman win this "bad match"? How would Superman resist the Soul Gem's karmic blast while resisting the Surfer's ability to drain his solar power?

    He would know out Surfer, similar to the way Thanos did and avoids Soul Gem's karmic blast - or maybe he is even immune against it somehow

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      Holding a black hole? Pressing the mass of the Earth for 5 days ... nothing that Thor has done 'in the normal world' comes even close



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    You said that DC works at different power levels than Marvel. Nope. At the highest showings, both are absurdly powerful. Thor absorbed an explosion that could destroy one fifth of the entire universe. That puts the power of a black hole or the mass of a single planet to shame. In direct tests of strength, Thor and Hercules have been shown to be equals. Hercules once held up the entire heavens. That also puts the mass of a single black hole or the mass of a single planet to shame. Thor once yanked the Midgard Serpent coiled around the Earth off of it, a feat comparable to or surpassing pressing the mass of the entire planet in that he had to pry against the resistance of something that large. Thor and Hulk once stalemated in an hour-long test of strength. Not long ago, Proxima Midnight placed the weight of a star on Hulk which Hulk supported. Umar once placed Thor beneath the weight of "a score of planets" and Thor broke free. Thor just survived fighting inside a star against Gorr the Godbutcher. Superman barely survives nuclear explosions. So why do you think DC works at different power levels than Marvel again?

the problem that I have with most of Thor's ueber feats is that they are in the realm of Asgard - I never liked the realm of Asgard stories since they were totally imcompatible to the Thor in our world.




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