Dave Galanter
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Subj: Even Superman cannot defeat Flash, what chances Spiderman has? One big zero!...nt.
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 at 04:16:20 am EST (Viewed 3 times)
Reply Subj: what does the #1 rank mean
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 at 02:50:22 am EST (Viewed 33 times)

    is it who would win in a fight with the others listed, the most powerful, both, etc.

    All of those are reasonable assumptions, but could have very different results...

    for instance, I think a lot of people would argue Silver Surfer is more powerful than Thor, but that Thor would win in a fight (I actually think they're REALLY close to equal in overall power, but Thor wins in a fight because of how they usually fight.

    I think a Thor vs. Superman fight sans politics involved is a tossup, but I also think Thor is more powerful (though I recognize good arguments for Superman being more powerful, and the last couple years of Thor, especially with the more recent 'reveal' about Mjolnir's nature probably will end up changing my opinion)....

    But also recognize this list seems like a hastily thought out thing...as zvelf brought up, Spider Man above Green Lantern? I'd give him a decent chance against Flash, and an outside chance against the weaker lanterns, but any of the elite lanterns would be HEAVY favorites....and you saw the furor over Cable at a buck....

    BUT, if I'm looking at a list of superheroes, and I'm trying to decide who I would pick on my team, who would be the first on your list (if you get every mainstream, non cosmic (in an abstract type sense))

    I could see arguments for Superman, but also for the Surfer, Martian Manhunter, Thor, even guys like Dr. Fate or Dr. Strange, or Orion, or a handful of other guys. Does any one of them 'go without saying'?

    Go without saying is pretty much saying 'its a foregone conclusion, and there is no reasonable argument otherwise', while I could certainly argue that a character without a weakness to kryptonite or magic who is competitive might be a better pick. If Thor has the sixty second limitation, you might disqualify him too. You might pick MM because of his psi, shapeshifting, etc. making him able to be highly effective when a flying brick wouldn't be, or Xman from back in the day, or someone else.

    All in all, if I had to pick one single person to be the first pick on a super team that might face any type of threat in any environment, Superman probably would NOT be my first pick. He'd be great 99 percent of the time, but others would be better in that 1 percent, and essentially as effective the rest of the time as well.

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