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abhijit

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Subj: Re: Lets face facts with scans
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 at 12:36:15 am EST (Viewed 158 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Lets face facts with scans
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 at 06:36:25 pm EST (Viewed 151 times)



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        Jurgens had written this as the real Thanos. Starlin retconned this into a Thanos clone to Jurgen's objection. Marvel's solicitations of this story call this retcon into question. In any case, power-wise for all intents and purposes, this is the real Thanos. Thanos powers himself up with the Chalice of Ruins and the Illumination Stone. To display this power, he destroys a planet with one blast. Thor counters by getter his belt of strength, a magic shield, and magic armor from Asgard. Powered-up Thor and even more powered-up Thanos have a straight fight. Thor wins.



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      BKR: Ugh, powered up clone vs powered up real deal. Isn't going to wash. 


    Why? The clone is exactly Thanos, so in terms of power, it's the same. And while both are powered up, the clone is even more powered up.

Where is that stated? And the clone lost his power up before he was beaten,


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        This King Thor had lost his skyfather power due to some magic shenanigans from the Council of Pantheons and Dr. Strange. He still kills Hulk and Thing at the same time.

      BKR: This however will wash. I know it's not the done thing to go with this as it's not strictly canon, but yeah, this is a good result for Thor, assuming no other power ups in play.



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    It's canon in the sense that after all this happened, King Thor went back in time and gave current Thor all the memories of what happened in order to prevent this future, and so for canon Thor to have these memories, these events actually had to happen the first time around.


In an alternate future, not the 616 version. And Jurgens explained that he had some of his odin force.


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        Yeah, through power exploitation. Supes beat Thor cleanly. Whilst I would say this shows Billy will likely beat Thor, I don't agree they are equal, Supes has more gas in the tank, when all is said and done.



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      Superman himself disagrees and this is after experiencing a direct comparison with Captain Marvel's powers:



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        It is interesting however that you support the crossovers when it agrees with your opinion on Superman but dismiss the crossovers when it disagrees with your opinion on Thor.

      C'mon, they aren't equal. Could Billy beat Darkseid? 

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      Maybe. Why couldn't he?

Because he has never been shown that powerful?


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      I remember reading it back in 1997(?)  before the JLAvengers. I recall interpreting it in that they didn't want to give away a Supes vs Thor fight and made it through power exploitation.

    One of Captain Marvel's powers is wisdom. He thought being pinned by the Ferris wheel Thor threw on top of him generated such a likelihood of losing that he risked changing into Billy Batson to escape. That meant Thor was on the verge of winning regardless.


PAD made a rule in that comic if the character was pinned for even a second, he would lose. Cap wasn't worried about losing to Thor, he was worried about getting pinned. That's why Namor lost to Aquaman when he got pinned by a whale.

http://www.peterdavid.net/2014/09/05/on-writing-dc-vs-marvel/


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    I definitely know I came up with the idea that a battle could be won by simply “immobilizing” one’s opponent… the equivalent of winning a wrestling match by pinning the other guy for a few seconds. That way we didn’t necessarily have to end each fight by having one hero pummeled into unconsciousness; it also meant that a weaker opponent could theoretically defeat a stronger one if he was crafty enough and/or lucky enough.



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