Dave Galanter
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Subj: Re: similar things have been said about Gladiator...
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 at 04:34:59 pm EST (Viewed 203 times)
Reply Subj: similar things have been said about Gladiator...
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 at 02:25:18 pm EST (Viewed 44 times)

    but we also know that Thor has fought Glads evenly more than once, and that the Eric/Thor was able to stalemate Gladiator in a direct test of strength.

    Here are a few things we know for sure:

    Superman defeated Professor Hulk, whom many consider less impressive than Savage, and I think almost anyone would consider less impressive than Gravage. This was also fan voted.

    Superman stalemated the Gravage Hulk in the later Roger Stern crossover.

    Pre Crisis Superman kind of beat the Hulk, but as Hulk was getting angrier and stronger, the text indicated that Hulk might well surpass Superman, and this is Pre Crisis Superman.

    Superman has repeatedly been shown as equal to Captain marvel/Shazam, and a peer to Black Adam...and this has been in pre crisis crossovers, post crisis, animated, whatever. Action comics 768 goes out of its way to affirm this, when Superman gets the power of Captain Marvel and at the end professes that he considers Marvel his equal in every way

    Thor convincingly defeated Captain Marvel in a non voted crossover

    We also know that DC Thor lost once to Big Barda (but then so did Superman), and also died fighting alongside WW and Superman in a 1000 year war, but seemed to be peers (and Superman weilded his Mjolnir after his death).

    We know that Supreme was able to kill Thor after a good fight, and weild Mjolnir

    We know that Thor can and has stalemated or beaten Superman knockoffs like Hyperion and Gladiator, but the results are mixed.

    We know that Thor has repeatedly stalemated the Hulk versions Superman has fought

    We know that both tend to hold back and don't use their versatility particularly effectively either, though Thor's holding back seems to be subconscious a lot of the time.

    All in all, the way they're most likely to fight, I think Superman is probably a slight favorite. That said, I actually think Thor is overall more powerful (his storm, energy absorption, and other Mjolnir type powers make the difference), but in a direct, straightforward way, I think Supes would be a very slight favorite.

    BUT, the other opinion can be very easily supported reasonably.

Exactly!! My opinion is that Thor was bred to be a the kind of warrior that one day would face the Dark Forces- in Ragnarok with a powerful weapon created by his father Odin- that could break through Celestial Armor. Thor with his powers does not need the Mystical aspect of his nature or his hammer to defeat someone like Superman. However, his Magic is very powerful and to dismiss this is to invalidate what Thor has done vs very powerful Cosmic Entities that would swat Superman like a fly. Moreover, Superman does not control anything beyond the physical. For instance, Thor's lightning bolts are Mystical in nature, and could even KO the Hulk. What do you think that it would do to someone like Superman- who's vulnerable to Magic? Superman needs to get close to Thor, simply because he can't defeat Thor from a distance; and that's exactly where Thor is most dangerous (he's gonna have to come to him- no matter what!!). A Thanos with a significant portion of the IG's powers was practically KO by Thor's Hammer, do you honestly believe that Superman could've survived that hit? And Thanos is not VULNERABLE TO MAGIC. Do you honestly believe that Superman could really blocked Thor's hammer w/o feeling Jack..?

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