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Subj: Re: and yet
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 at 01:06:10 am EST (Viewed 191 times)
Reply Subj: Re: and yet
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 at 06:23:01 am EST (Viewed 252 times)
Quote:but you don't even see supes keep fighting thor instead, you see Wonder Woman, so both had one hit each, Thor floored Supes with the first attack, then Manhunter and Supes floored Thor with the second combined punch; both got up with no damage. But Superman was shown hitting Thor WITH Manhunter at the same time to no effect.
That's a colorful way to show "no effect".
Quote:Shouldn't he have been knocked out immediately by your use of the Kalibak fight as a point of reference?
No, different writers and all that schtick.
Quote:I don't think Kalibak is Thor's superior, unless you count Ulik or Bi-beast the same way because the first time they gave Thor a tussle; and i don't think Thor was shown as superior to Manhunter and Supes by the fact that Thor took such a double punch and was fine. First fight around, maybe Thor didn't unload his all on the New God; potentially? Thor could one shot kill kalibak if at his peak efficiency, he has beaten peers of Darkseid before...
But Thor himself was losing as per characters and needed help. Superman didn't against Thor.
Quote:and of course it's true, Thor acknowledged Superman as capable of withstanding him, "the mightiest of the nine realm" because he stopped Mjolnir. it's an aknowledging of the huge strenght superman shows, and something that puts doubt in Thor's mind because he starts questioning himself. And his being proved by the fight is stated twice by Superman himself, "barely" winning is not winning by a large margin, and he was certainly unbalanced by the end. After all, he was later easily dogpiled and taken out by a small group of mostly Top Tiers. Again, Supes shows a slim edge in strenght when both at "standard" or Base versions. Does that make him conceptually stronger? i don't think so.
But you are taking Superman's word as gospel but not taking Thor's?
Isn't that what we call biased?
Thor has different devices to do the very same things, which is everything he needs to do for the sake of the story. Being a God, there is no need to "say" it's a job for Thor. Just need for someone to be praying to him, or for him, and he can feel it.
Quote:he feels prayers "a universe away" and replies to them
That's not what it means. Thor isn't the one to get called in when the job gets difficult as much as Superman.
Quote:even other gods can pray to him to overcome an obstacle, and then he will, like when he absorbed a Time and Space spanning Godkilling bomb at point blank range
That's nice. He also died due to that but who counts that, eh?
and of course both have low showings just as they have high ones. But that just tells us that at times they can be beaten by far less than what it would take for a base version, and at times they can go far beyond that same base. considering the possible range, i don't see how they are not comparable overall.
Quote:Of course, a sundipped Superman against a base Thor would be an uneven fight probably, considering how the base vs base battle went. But a Sundipped supes against a Prayer enhanced Berseker raging Odin Force powered Thor wouldn't probably be so one dimentional as you seem to think. and i wouldn't underestimate the power of a God, Thor could enchant a weapon to the point it could kill Exitar the Celestial Exterminator, i think his magic has more than a chance to make him able to kill a superman if need be. And the very nature of Magical abilities bestowed by the hammer and the Odinpower imbued in it makes thor a fight that would be competitive for anyone who is not directly a reality manipulator, and even then Thor could probably hurt even one as such pretty badly.
That's nice and all. But it doesn't means much in a standard fight between them.