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abhijit

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zvelf

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Subj: Re: Professor/Merged Hulk was indeed stronger at base
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 at 01:08:41 am EST (Viewed 210 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Professor/Merged Hulk was indeed stronger at base
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 at 09:03:06 am EST (Viewed 172 times)



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      Storm and Cable attacked his brain. Savage Hulk has been beaten by far less.



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    So has Superman:



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    http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=comicbattles-2017012220010323&layout=thread


But most of his low showings happened when he was explicitly at a lower power level.

In the Dr. Light showing he was explicitly weakened by Vixen sharing his powers.

And Thor has been koed by a bullet to the head, I've still to find a low showing THAT low for Superman.

And Superman has fought abstracts like Thor fights skyfathers. There is a huge difference in the showings.


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        Merged Hulk explicitly said he was stronger facing Glob whom Savage could never defeat cleanly and was speculated to be stronger than savage hulk.



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      Merged Hulk was stronger than Savage at base, but Savage could ramp up his strength much faster than Merged. You want to think that one fight means everything. It doesn't work that way. Hulk had always had trouble with Bi-Beast up to the time that Thor fought Bi-Beast. The moment Thor stopped holding back, he beat Bi-Beast pretty easily in pure melee. Does that mean Thor is much stronger than Hulk? It would by your logic.


Is there any evidence to support that savage hulk grew in strength better than merged Hulk?

And Thor defeated Bi-Beast using mjolnir. Not exactly by punching him out.


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          Braugi: Gravage seemingly has the higher base and higher dynamic strength capability.



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        Not true at all.



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      If you believe that, you haven't been reading Hulk. Greg Pak, the biggest Hulk fanboy writer ever, wrote the Gravage Hulk and most of Hulk's high-end feats and victories come from under Pak.


I'm talking about before Pak's run.


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        And Roger Stern has explicitly written Superman getting stronger as the years go by.



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      Hulk has also gotten stronger as the years go by.


And?


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        Superman has almost killed him in the only fight to finish and Cap was hospitalized.



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      You fail to take context into account. Superman was possessed by Eclipso. He wasn't holding back. Billy was.


That's exactly opposite of what happened. Billy said in the middle of the fight that he is going to rough up Superman too.

And Superman beat Mon-El who was explicitly stated to be stronger than every earth hero possessed by Eclipso in the very same story.


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        Because he was in fear of getting pinned just like Namor. Not that Thor knocked him out.



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      Thor and Captain Marvel fought under the same rules. Captain Marvel lost under those rules.


    Not a straight up loss as you intended to be.


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          Its entirely by lightning manipulation. Not a straight fight.



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        Thor's control of lightning is part of his power set. It's completely fair for Thor to use lightning manipulation.


      That's fine. But don't try to act like this somehow proves Thor is more powerful than Cap or Superman.

      Th shazam bolt almost shorted out mjolnir and stunned Thor. Superman took half a dozen shazam bolts and was just coming back for more.


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            Except Cap wasn't beaten in a straight fight.



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          He was beaten fair and square.


        Heh, not even close to true.


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                Actually, newb Erik Masterson Thor took down Gladiator and flat out matched him in a test of strength. Gladiator also noted that since Thor was aware and on guard, he was too strong to take out.

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                After Gladiator was stunned by a sucker shot and had defeated Mastesron and was standing there gloating at him. Just look at how Gladiator choked out Jane Thor recently.



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            Thor's test of strength with Gladiator was before Living Lightning's attack.


          Which was cut short as the ground gave away. Even weaker characters can lock up in a strength contest for a brief time.


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            Once Thor was ready for Gladiator and stopped holding back, Thor beat him, and Gladiator said Thor was too strong for him.


          By using mjolnir and energy blasts. Gladiator proved stronger than him in a fight though.


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            You can't get any clearer than that. Jane Thor had never met Gladiator before and doesn't have the real Thor's fighting skills. Even then, I have a feeling the rematch is going to turn out differently.


          What you feel is totally irrelevant. Getting choked out has nothing to do with skills.

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                And yes, Thor has repeatedly stalemated the Hulk...reportedly holding back in fighting the Professor Hulk in Hel, repeatedly against Savage Hulk, and a few fights against Gravage versions...

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                Using Mjolnir only. Savage beat him to a pulp without it.



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            First, Mjolnir is part of Thor's power set so there should be no qualification regarding whether Thor uses it or not.


          It amps his striking power, so no it doesn't adds to Thor's strength level against Hulk.


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            Second, Thor has fought Hulk three times without Mjolnir. The first two times were complete stalemates. The third, Thor was mopping up Hulk with Mjolnir so that Hulk had to take a hostage to get Thor to toss Mjolnir aside. Hulk was gradually starting to win against a hammerless Thor, but he certainly wasn't beating him to a pulp. Thor even stated he was relishing the fight, and when Mjolnir came back to him, he offered to throw it away again. You are demonstrating how desperate you are to twist the comics to fit your own conclusions however.


          Yeah, Thor's face said otherwise which was beaten to a pulp. Also should I post Let the battle begin scans here too?

          And Thor straight up said that he could never beat the hulk in Fear Itself. Like Hulk says "Puny god".

          You wouldn't hear someone like Superman say that. Only wonder woman has said such to Superman before.



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