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abhijit

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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: Lets face facts with scans
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 at 01:15:01 am CST (Viewed 194 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Lets face facts with scans
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 at 10:31:02 am CST (Viewed 148 times)



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      During the battle, Thanos destroyed Thor's magic shield too. Thanos lost his power-up because Thor overcame powered-up Thanos and destroyed the Illumination Stone. It's still a clean victory.


That's quite a mental gymnastic you are playing there. Thor was on his knees and had zero affect on Thanos while he had the stone.

Destroying the stone doesn't means its a clean victory. It means he destroyed his power source and then beat him up while still amped. Its utterly meaningless.


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      No, it isn't. And Thor was losing when he grabbed the stone and crushed it.


    Thor was not losing. If he were, he could not have reached the stone in the first place. A powered-up Thor overcame an even more powered-up Thanos to remove his power-up. There is absolutely nothing unfair about that.


Nobody said it was unfair. Its a plot device way to win though. It would be a clean victory if Thor straight up defeats Thnaos. Like Hal Jordan did to Krona.


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        Thor was still amped by belt of strength when he beat Thanosi AFTER destroying the stone. So no, it isn't a clean victory at all.



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      First, Thor's belt of strength is part of his power set that he can resort to if he wants.

That's like saying sun dip is a part of Superman's power set. Its an external amp.


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    Second, Thor was powered-up. Thanos was even more powered-up; that Thor destroyed Thanos power-up in the process of beating him does not make this an unclean victory in any way. Thanos was perfectly aware that Thor could destroy the Illumination Stone and even in his powered-up state, Thanos could not prevent Thor from doing so. That's a clean victory for Thor.


That doesn't means Thanos who lost to Thor was powered up. Its like saying Captain Marvel defeated Thanos powered by cosmic cube who defeated even Eternity straight up when he destroyed the cosmic cube. Or Hawkeye defeated Krona

And holy crap, you are like the most illogical Thor fanboy I've seen and that's saying a lot.


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            It's an alternate future stemming directly from 616 that happened, the memories of which 616 Thor retained. Also Jurgens said this to appease some Hulk fans who objected. There is not even a hint of this being the case in the actual comic.

          No, its an alternate reality altogether after King Thor journeyed back in time.

          You may as well use What Ifs for debate.

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    What Ifs are different in that they don't impact 616 and so authors don't have to worry about repercussions from What If stories. The events of The Reigning do impact 616 such that 616 Thor will never become The Reigning's King Thor so the Reigning events had to have happened.

Of course they do. Quasar has actually journeyed to What If universes.

Its an alternate reality dude, even handbooks say so.


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              Because he has never been shown that powerful?

          Sure he has. He's been shown to be just as powerful as Superman, something Superman himself stated..

      No, he has been not shown as powerful as Superman. He gets lip service like J'onn does. In performance though? Superman all the way.


Nope. That entire issue was devoted to showing Captain Marvel and Superman are equals, not in word but deeds, and Superman sums that up at the end by saying they are exactly equal. Sorry that hurts your feelings but the truth will set you free.

One issue where Superman matches speed of mercury amped to a million fold?

And an entire arc was devoted to show how J'onn was the most powerful being on earth.

Its still not true for majority of the continuity.


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          Getting pinned equates to losing to Thor based on the rules of the fight, so he was going to lose to Thor if he didn't turn into Billy, and he lost anyway when he turned into Billy.



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    Yes, he lost by the rules. Not because Thor beat him. Get it?



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    That doesn't make sense whatsoever. One can only win or lose if there are criteria determining winning or losing. Thor beat Captain Marvel according to the rules straight up.


That's losing on technicality. Not getting beaten up by a superior opponent like Superman beating Cap to near death and hospitalizing him in the process.

Should I draw a picture for you to get it?



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