Quote:I'll have to check if Thor used the lightning. Whether he did or not isn't really crucial to the point I was trying to make. The point I was making was that they are clearly close peers. This is evidenced by Superman's comments on the matter, as well as Superman's physical state after their fight. Based on this, and based on other factors about their powersets and weaknesses, my point was that a fight could go either way. Of course Superman could beat Thor. It doesn't mean he would every time, nor does the fight definitely prove one was more powerful than the other, as the full scope of their powersets (from both sides) weren't used.
Close peers don't palm your strongest punch and knock you out while saying that your best doesn't quite measures up to their best.
That's a level below.
Quote:Regarding my "handwaving" of a "clear cut statement" - what exactly about it is clear cut? Or more clear cut than Superman absolutely being in awe of Thor's power after grabbing Mjolnir? Let's look at the definition of the word "perhaps"
Yes, Superman was in awe of his power stacked with mjolnir, just like he was in awe of captain marvel and in awe of Batman when he experience his memories.
Superman is a humble guy and gives a lot of praise to others. Heck, he said J'onn is more powerful than entire Justice League when in the same issue Preus with Superman's powers curbstomped him.
1) used to express uncertainty or possibility.
synonyms: maybe, for all one knows, it could be, it may be, it's possible, possibly, conceivably;
2) More used when one does not wish to be too definite or assertive in the expression of an opinion.
"perhaps not surprisingly, he was cautious about committing himself"
3) used when making a polite request, offer, or suggestion.
"would you perhaps consent to act as our guide?"
Yes, when a character is confident but not too sure about the truth of something.
You are acting like Superman was said "He is definitely not the most powerful being on two earths."
Quote:Silver Surfer and Superman met in a crossover. From that it seemed Superman was in awe of Silver Surfer. I could say something like "Perhaps Silver Surfer is more powerful than Superman".
You might say that. It wouldn't be true though.
Cyborg Superman did say something about Surfer's power though. I think it went like "Is this all you got?"
Quote:That doesn't mean that I am sure that's the case. And when you dig into it, and realize that I am basing my opinion on something that is not quantitative, not definitive, all of a sudden my opinion loses weight. That's what's happening here. We have some one-off comments prefaced by an admission of uncertainty and you are using it to prop up your point.
Heh, so defensive. I wonder why.
Nothing has been defensive in my tone.
In my opinion, if he was a level above, Iron Man/Herc wouldn't have been able to take Supes down so easily after the fight. From my perspective, "a level above" means you can put someone down and keep going. Thanos is a level above. Odin is two levels above. They'd have been able to put Thor down and then put Iron Man/Herc down.
I guess we're coming at this too differently. When Reed Richards says "Perhaps (ie: maybe, who knows) Superman is..." you are using that to prove your point. Even though he used the word "perhaps".
But when Superman compliments another character, that's just him being humble...Or when Thor says he could beat Superman next time (note he did not use the word "perhaps") that can also be completely ignored?
And I do believe Surfer happens to be more powerful than Superman. But that wasn't my point. If Reed Richards said in a comic "Perhaps Silver Surfer is more powerful than Superman" would you agree that this should be used as concrete evidence on the matter?