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abhijit

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Primetime

Subj: Re: and yet
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 11:45:51 pm EST (Viewed 129 times)
Reply Subj: Re: and yet
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 09:48:28 am EST (Viewed 11 times)



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                The "fight of his life" is not the same as "fight for your life". Thor isn't trying to kill him.

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                So by pure logic it can't be the fight of his life.

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              By definition, it can.

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            No, it doesn't. Busiek himself said it was a hyperbole.

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                Superman said it because that's how he felt at the time. Not everyone confines themselves to rigorously-accurate statements at all times -- if someone says, "That was the best meal I ever had," they may not mean it literally, having considered every other meal they've ever had in their life before saying it. They may just be speaking emotionally, reacting to how good the meal was.

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                http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003110316574500&search=meal&searchcommand=multi&layout=thread

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                  See, that's how you bring a proof. With actual proofs.

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          I provided links on another post. Of course, clicking on the links of archived posts doesn't take you to them anymore. But now I know what to add to the addresses to make them work.

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        I already read those and Busiek never said Superman actually used super speed off panel.



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    Right. He just says that he uses it. He doesn't give specifics of when. Did you see it used on panel?


But he didn't say he used it. Two negatives don't make a positive.


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                And don't turn it around. You make this thread based on a literal interpretation of character statements. So you can't pick and chose according to your own bias. And of course, Thor does not state that Superman is the strongest in the nine realms.

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                Yes, and we are taking only Superman's comments as it suits you, eh?

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                  So is Superman the mightiest character in nine realms? Because Thor stated that none in the nine realms could stop the hit.

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              Since the hammer has been stopped in easier fashion by others, clearly he his not

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            But that doesn't counts as per your logic since we are taking statements on face value. So Superman is the mightiest being in the nine realms.

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          Nope. This is your game. You created this thread on the basis of taking statements at face value (Reed Richards) and thus I am countering it using the same logic. Don't project. You are the one trying to elevate the character you are obsessed with far above what he is intended to be.

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        I'm taking all of their comparisons in conjunction.



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    You only have one comparison, and that's the actual fight. The rest are reaches.


Uh-huh. One is a direct comparison and other is a statement from one of the premier heroes in the marvel earth.


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      You are using a single statement from Superman which the writer himself said was hyperbole to the face value.

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        It doesn't works that way.



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    You're using a single statement from Richards whereas he uses "perhaps". It doesn't work that way.



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                  You get around the fact that if we use the standards that you are using in this thread, Thor is the toughest opponent Superman has ever fought. You can't declare that to be a statement not to be taken literally while taking Reed's statement literally and ignoring his inclusion of the word "perhaps".

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                And Thor stated that Superman is the mightiest being in the nine realms.

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                  So yeah, lets count all the statement, should we if we are using "May be" as literal. Thor didn't use may be.

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              He never states that he is the mightiest. He states a belief that the mightiest could not do so, which of course is untrue since one being does so previously and does so easier. Two more have done so since.

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            But you are taking Superman's statement being that Thor "may be" as literal.

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          I'm doing what you did with Reeds statement of "perhaps". What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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        But Jurgens didn't say what Reed said was a hyperbole.



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    But Jurgen's includes the words "perhaps".


Perhaps doesn't means "Not".


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          You can't have it both way.

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          I think that you should be telling yourself that. This is your thread and your logic.

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        And you are using your own logic and pretending what Thor said doesn't matters in that logic.



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    What does Thor say that I am pretending to not matter?



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            Thor also doesn't say "maybe" when he says that he will win a rematch. Superman doesn't say "maybe" when he says that he barely won. We can go on.

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            Yes, Thor boasting means it will happen because marvel fanboys say so.

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          Do you not realize how hypocritical you are being?

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        Do you see how hypocritical you are? What Superman said is true but what Thor and Reed said isn't?



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    I don't make threads judging characters based on verbal expressions of opinions.


That's what you are doing with "Superman was weakened" though.

Except it wasn't even stated. You are just going by art now.


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          Sure, we can. But the bottom line is, Thor lost and there is nothing you can do about it.

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          I think that you like the way this strawman statement sounds as if it sums up this discussion. Of course, this is not a discussion of who won the fight. It's a discussion of a statement by Reed Richards, a character breaking up a fight and the notion that this was not portrayed a very close fight that could have gone the other way just as easy. Seems that Superman "fanboys" can't accept a character being close in formidability to the target of their obsession. Why is that? He comes off of the ropes to win a very tough battle that leaves him in a damaged state. Is something wrong with this?

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        No, it doesn't. But it sums all of the frustrations of marvel fanboys though.

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          You just can't stomach when a marvel character lost to a DC character. You don't see such ruckus when Kyle Rayner lost to Photon, do you?



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    I made no ruckus. I would challenge you to find where I did. On the other hand, more than a decade later, you are harping over not accepting the sheer closeness of the battle.


Heh, you still can't tell us how closed the fight was when the fight ended with Superman basically saying "You don't match me bro".


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      That didn't happen of course. Superman won a moderate difficult fight which left him winded. He wasn't even bloody much less damaged and give some lip service to Thor.



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    You're in heavy denial. Anyone reading the book knows better.


Now appeal to majority, eh?


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      I'm still waiting on where he was said to be weakened.



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    That's what is shown. Would you prefer "damaged", which is how Busiek describes it? Same difference.


So no proof because he isn't shown either weakened or damaged?


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