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abhijit

Subj: Re: Superman vs Thor: Comparison
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:52:50 am EST (Viewed 5 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Superman vs Thor: Comparison
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 12:50:35 am EST (Viewed 246 times)



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            And where is it shown because that's the same energy trail hitting J'onn as well.

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            It's noticeably different. The energy trailing Mjolnir in issue #1 is identical to the one coming from Superman. Mjolnir is in his mid-section.

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          No, it isn't. Thor has mjolnir in his hands twirling it in both situations when lightning hits J'onn and Superman.

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        No he doesn't. He is twirling it afterward, once the hammer returns.



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    The hammer isn't shown returning in his hand.


Yet it's in his hand, so it clearly returns.


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                Where did Busiek said Superman used speed?

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                On Comicboards.

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              Link?

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            Here he says that Superman's near Flash level non-running speed compensates for Thor's greater skill and combat experience.

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              https://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003102302381000&search=meal&searchcommand=speed&layout=thread

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                And here he discusses the possibility of speed being used.

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                  https://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003102316395300&search=meal&searchcommand=speed&layout=thread

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          So he doesn't ever say that Superman used speed off panel? Good to know.

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        He says that he uses speed and that it compensates for Thor's greater skill. Whether it is on panel or off is moot. He says it happens.



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    He didn't say that.



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    "Doesn't mean he wasn't. Super-speed doesn't just mean flying around real fast."



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    This is a non committal double negative response. It doesn't means that he used speed off panel.


He also made reference to Superman's speed compensating for Thor's greater skill. It's pretty clear.


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            No, he is quite above Thor. Already shown twice too.

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            They only fight once and that shows a near even, hard fought battle that could have gone either way and both receive considerable damage off panel.

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          That wasn't a near even fight. Near even fights don't end with one character catching other character's finishing move and saying "No bro, you don't measure up to me."

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        A fight where you are on the brink of destruction and are forced to reach deep and bring out more of yourself than ordinary to win in dramatic fashion is a close fight. Especially when the end result involves you being so damaged that you are helpless against opponents who would not be able to beat you that way ordinarily. Even Busiek's words support this.



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    That didn't happen. Superman isn't on the brink of destruction and even under Busiek later he says he had never tapped into the power he can totally unleash.


Busiek disagrees with you.


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    He was dogpiled by Hercules, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Vision and She-Hulk. Do you really think any top tier can defeat that team by his own?


Interestingly, Busiek presented his script for that scene and in the script, it states that he is being beaten in a way that those characters would not be able to otherwise due to the damage.


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    Thor got dusted by far less.


So has Superman (Venom for example).


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      By your logic, the first fight with Doomsday is not even close because Superman kills him with a single blow. And you can't give a good reason why Superman's bravado is to be taken literally but Thor's is not.



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    Superman struggled Doomsday for hours before going all out and killing him.



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    Superman is not showing any bravado when he literally caught Thor's best shot and knocked him out. Maybe you should first understand what bravado means.


I understand what bravado means. "Small god/small world" is bravado. Superman uses a lot of that during the issue. You take it literally due to bias. Clear as day.




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