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motifian

Member Since: Sat Jun 10, 2017
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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: Ultimates 100 Spoilers
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 at 01:37:43 am EDT (Viewed 74 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ultimates 100 Spoilers
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 06:06:15 pm EDT (Viewed 72 times)



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          And Quasar is more powerful than Galactus.

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        Not necessarily. The shield had been under near continuous assault for a long time before Quasar attacked it. Galactus would not likely be aware of that and is making his assessment of his power against a fresh shield. Note that Quasar could not breach a fresh shield either when she was tested against it.

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      Carol said she had rest and the shield didn't had any issues or shown to be weakened.




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    You just lost all credibility with that excuse. Carol didn't say anything about the shield not being weakened. It had just been hit by Rocket Raccoon's null bomb! The issue devoted four pages to the null bomb for a reason. Instead you're assuming Quasar doubled in power after being in a coma and the null bomb did zip to the shield.


Double negatives don't make a positive. There is no mention of the shield being weakened when Spencer went out of his way to let the readers know that the shield was still at full power.

Carol explained that she had a rest and that's the reason she destroyed the shield. Not that the shield was weakened.


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        Wrong. Black Panther frees Chaos and Order by stretching Logos' face until Chaos and Order can escape.

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        That's something you can even read where Eternity says that the infection is gone when the celestials destroy the dark celestials.



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    Nope. Even before the Celestials beat the Dark Celestials, Black Panther is prying open Logos and Chaos notes that he's nearly free. Galactus also observes this and flat out states, "This cannot be and yet if humanity can prevail where primal aspects fail and fall, all things are possible."


Nearly free doesn't means that they were freed. Only when the dark celestials were destroyed they were freed.

But that's besides the point. Galactus got punked. Like usual.


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      But to think Black Panther can do anything to someone stomping Galactus is even more ludicrous.



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    It's not ludicrous in the realm of metaphor.


Yes, it is.


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          Tiger God is the one who is shown beating Logos.

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          Again, wrong. Black Panther specifically states, "The power of the Tiger God allowed me to ascend to this plane -- a guide and shield -- but the power I wield now is my own on this level... combat is metaphor. And I am the king." So Black Panther's power disassembles Logos, not the Tiger God's.

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          So are you saying Black Panther is more powerful than Galactus? Because Logos easily defeated Galactus a few issues ago.



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    In the realm of metaphor where battles are not physical and whose rules are ambiguous, Black Panther can do something that Galactus can't. You want to call what Black Panther did to Logos a fight, but it's not really. Black Panther frees Logos' captive component parts with the equivalent of sneaking up on Logos. What you're doing is reading the issue the way you want it to read as opposed to what is flat-out stated, that T'Challa is using his own power. How can you dispute that? Did Al Ewing write those words randomly according to you?


So Black Panther straight up manhandles Logos but did so by sneak attacks?

You're not even consistent among your excuses.

But do let us know how black panther is more powerful than Galactus.


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      That was early Eternity and his powers were ill defined.



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    It's still canon.


Retconned by Busiek.


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      Busiek showed Dormammu less than nothing to Eternity.



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    And yet we've seen Dormammu give Eternity a good fight in one instance, and in another, with a tilt of the universal axis, beat Eternity.


Dormammu was less than nothing to Eternity. He was only able to usurp Eternity by bathing in its blood and gaining power.

The first instance in Strange Tales is retconned.


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      He was compared to throwing a match into fuel. When he was destroyed his entire power couldn't even burn continental sized Asgard.



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    Nonsense. How can someone who is destroyed do anything?


His energy wasn't destroyed. It was just shunted to Asgard by Odin.

Did you even read the story?


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        It was not hyperbole. The Dark Gods stated that the outcome of Odin's fight with Seth could cause the fall of the universe. Multiple Marvel characters could feel the impact of the battle which was shaking the entire space-time continuum and tearing at the fabric of the multiverse.

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        Yes, it was. If Seth could destroy universe he wouldn't need Yggdrasil to destroy just nine realms who are continental sized.



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    First, each of the Nine Realms is its own dimension, not just a continent.


It has been Reiterated several times that the whole realms are just continental level. Blame marvel.
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    Sheesh. Midgard is one of the Nine Realms and it comprises an entire universe made up of billions of galaxies.

Midgard means only Earth. Not Earth's universe.
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    Second, Seth was causing the shaking and tearing of the multiverse only with Odin's power on top of his. As Odin won, his power was actually greater.


That's one of the hyperboles. Nothing was shown about anything about multiverse.

Even Korvac and Starhawk were said to do so by exact same characters.
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        It was all silver age hyperbole like Defalco was fond of tossing around.



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      Third, you obviously don't understand what hyperbole is. Depicting all these characters stating what they are actually observing is not hyperbole. So you're saying the Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange, the Dark Gods, and Jean Grey were all lying.


    They were not lying. Just exaggerated notion of the damage caused. Just like in Silver age and not to be taken seriously.

    Seth couldn't even beat Thunderstrike with bloodaxe who destroyed him. Odin struggling with him isn't a high showing for Odin.




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