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Subj: my mistake, he was a human, not a Vulcan at the that instance doesn't exist...
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 at 01:36:59 pm EDT (Viewed 97 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Thanks...thats probably a reasonable estimate...
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 at 10:42:21 am EDT (Viewed 111 times)

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    when I think of his best showings, I think of beating Khan.

Kirk used a metal pipe to knock out Khan though; he was making a fight of it HtH before that, but it wasn't at all clear that he would've won without resorting to a weapon.

    In Mirror Mirror, when all of the relocated take on the evil Spock, he's the only one that has any measure of success, but he's pretty consistently gotten the worst of it from Spock...but for someone who 'supposedly' is 3-4X a human his size, thats pretty good...

Guys like Batman and Daredevil take on opponents with far greater strength than that though, and sometimes win.

    Though unnamed Vulcans get beaten by named humans, at least in one episode of TNG with the proto Tuvok (same actor, different Vulcan), and Romulans seem pretty beatable 1 on 1 by humans...

I think you may be mistaken about Tim Russ playing another Vulcan aside from Tuvok. He has played other characters in the Trek franchise, two humans and a Klingon, but no other Vulcans according to his Trek Wikia page.

    So yeah, I think Kirk could compete with a lot of street levellers, but the better ones would beat him in a straight up fight.

    Kirk's greatest strength is his adaptability, intuition, and insight...thinking on his feet.

    I'm trying to remember how the old Xmen vs. Star Trek went down...I just remember Wolverine commenting on how good the crew was, and I think Spock took Wolverine down with a nerve pinch, but it didn't last long enough due to healing factor....

Yeah, I bought that crossover when it came out. I don't think it's necessarily indicative of Spock being a terrific fighter though. Wolverine's healing factor makes him careless at times, and the Vulcan nerve pinch is a specific technique, something that can be learned without having to master a broader martial skill set. Kraven the Hunter knows similar techniques, and he's been stated to be less skilled than Ka-Zar, who is himself largely a brawler.

As to the Star Trek vs. Xmen...I don't know either, because IMO Wolverine, for a VERY long time wasn't depicted as a very good fighter...even now he usually isn't, until they want to show him as the best fighter in the MU of the things I hate about Wolverine...

Anyway, it does at least show that Spock can play in that ballpark pretty well. I think he'd be a decent meta character in the MU.

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