Previous Post Quote: So do you accept that Venom is above Superman, Storm is above Wonder Woman, Wolverine is above Lobo, Thor is above Captain Marvel (Batson), Spider-Man is above Superboy, Silver Surfer is above Kyle, etc. etc.? Several of those are fan decided and circumstancial wins. Quote: Superman and Thor fight as equals with Superman barely winning. Even Busiek confirmed this both in dialogue and in comments. Superman fought a rage handicapped Hulk. Hulk and Superman stalemate in Stern's book (isn't everything canon now in DC?). Equals don't catch your punch and knock you out. Busiek straight up said that JLA counterparts were more powerful than the Avengers in absolute edition. Superman beating Hulk was fan decided but Marz never showed that Hulk was rage handicapped.

We are not talking about the rest of the Avengers. We are talking about Thor. Superman had to reach deep down while on the brink of destruction to pull out a miracle and Busuek has stated that the fight could have easily gone either way and in the dialogue stated that Superman “barely” won. He was left truly weakened to the point of being helpless against the Avengers.

And most of those fights were not fan voted.