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motifian

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: Credibility revealed
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 11:25:56 am EST (Viewed 160 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Credibility revealed
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 01:02:15 am EST (Viewed 213 times)



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      Could you show us where I said Thor is more powerful than Odin or would beat him in a fight?





How about we show the whole quote?

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Thor suckerpunched Odin in the face?
And Odin was hurt far worse than Darkseid was. He was on his knees and hands for a full page.
Only by depriving Thor of mjolnir. With mjolnir Thor beats down Odin in one shot. By your own logic man.".

By the logic Darkseid was getting stalemated by Justice League, Thor beats down Odin too. That was my whole point.

Context is never your friend, is it?


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              Uh, no. I stated the exact opposite - that Thor can lift billions of tons so knocking down someone who weighs a few hundred pounds isn't particularly indicative of anything. Of course when I pointed out when Wonder Woman knocked Zeus on the ground with one blow and was standing over him, you said that meant nothing, completely displaying your hypocrisy on the matter. Now by YOUR own logic, DC Zeus is a weakling.
            Thor didn't just knock Odin down, he had Odin on his knees.
          Zeus wasn't on his knees like Odin was.
        I see. So according to you what direction you get knocked down in determines whether you're a weakling. If you fall forward, you're a weakling. If you fall backward, you're not. Wow, what other laughably ridiculous laws of fight depictions can motifian come up with?
      No, if you are on your knees after just one hammer shot from Thor, you are a weakling.



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    Doubling down on stupidity just makes you look doubly stupid.


It's your logic man. You can tell it whatever you want.


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        Yes! Doubling down on the knee defense! I love it.
      You should. You started it after all.



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    No, the knee defense is yours and yours alone, dude.


You didn't start "Darkseid was getting stalemated by League because he was blinded"?


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        Are you a fifth grader by any chance? So let's look at your claim that the Aegis armor isn't significant. It creates an impenetrable force field, absorbs energy directed at it, and can redirect that energy against the attacker:
      Are you in kindergarten? Aegis only gave the wearer to redirect kinetic energy. Not all energies.



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    You see it redirect Zeus's lightning on to Hera, killing her! It also supplies an impenetrable force field. Typhon doesn't normally have either ability so it's a significant power up.


And we straight up were informed that it only redirected kinetic energy.



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      And Zeus was not a human child. He was regressed in age but he was still a God.



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    Read this carefully: "human child" (you got caught with their pants down again)


You're just pitiful at this point. Zeus wasn't human or less powerful.


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          Zeus had regained his memories. Hence why he was screaming that Typhon killed his wife.
        No, you're just flat wrong. Here are the scans explicitly showing that Zeus had not regained his memories. "In your new form, you don't remember," Hera tells Zeus. Then child Zeus and Hera both attack Typhon and again the comic explicitly shows the Aegis armor deflecting their attacks back on them, killing Hera. You're wrong and prove again and again, you have no credibility.
      Are you sure you can read? Zeus then regains his memories and screams at Typhon that he killed his wife
    Zeus was already calling Hera his wife as an amnesiac. Zeus doing so again after Typhon kills her (with the Aegis powering him up) is not indicative of Zeus regaining his memories. I don't know why you're arguing about this example. You already admitted you were purposefully being misleading about it. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Because it is? And when Thanatos comes to collect their souls, they were shown as adults.

I never admitted any such thing kiddo. You're just making things up once more.



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    It's like a life saving mantra for you at this point that I have "no credibility". I don't care at all about your approval for credibility.

It's not my approval. Why would anyone grant you credibility when you admitted you lied?


Where did I say anything like that?


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                  So you're accusing me of ignoring context when you just used an example to imply Hercules > Typhon > Zeus while ignoring that Zeus was not normal Zeus, Typhon was amped by the Aegis, and that Hercules used amnesia water to win. Wow.
                Exactly. Just giving you your own medicine.
              Okay, from now on I will note why you lack credibility by pointing out you purposely and consciously used an example you knew was misleading. And also having a 4-year old's understanding of ethics.
            Heh, how does it taste when you get a dose of your own medicine?
          It feels great that I can always point to direct evidence of you purposely using examples you know are misleading. You've always been doing that, but this time you admitted to it.
        What misleading? Everything I said happened exactly in comics.
      You were trying to show that Marvel Zeus wasn't that powerful by saying Typhon beat Zeus and Hercules beat Typhon while ignoring that this wasn't normal Zeus but amnesiac human child Zeus, that this wasn't normal Typhon because he was powered up by the Aegis, and that Hercules didn't beat Typhon with his own power but used the waters of Lethe. If that's not misleading, I don't know what is. And then you claimed that Zeus had regained his memories when he had not, which is plainly stated in the scans above. You have no credibility.
    Wrong on all accounts. Zeus wasn't a human child, he was still a God.

I already disproved that with the scan above.

What scan? Here is Hercules teaching Zeus to see things as a God.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/jW5jTJd0aPcG7m9fEyxT8B6LQ4EyEpYg2xy-HY61pboCkGZMYCU6brRtjISCd69QnPRhteCAbY8V=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/IK1GeICvVy19rhpMu5C9OCB7M3t7uz1AavmV4wBCZfTt6KEke1u0DmrNdR2_zg1KQ2Bg0RQp1X2r=s1600



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    Typhon didn't use Aegis to kill Zeus

You actually don't know how Typhon killed child Zeus because it happens off panel, but we saw the Aegis deflect Zeus' lightning, so already that's the Aegis helping Typhon kill Zeus in that it gives him defense against all of Zeus' energy projection. It also redirects physical blows as it did to Hercules, so it also blocks all of Zeus' physical attacks.

Because Zeus wasn't having his head blow up like Hera and was shown dead physically.

And yet Hercules killed him with Aegis.


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    and Hercules physically killed Typhon by bashing his head in after giving him amnesia.



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    The key point being "after giving him amnesia"! Without that happening, Hercules was going to lose. Hercules was all but beaten until he used the water of Lethe. So you said I was all wrong, but I was all right.


Yes, the river only gave him amnesia. Hercules killed him physically when Zeus couldn't.

So Zeus is top tier, eh?


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                Then you haven't really read my posts. If I’m so biased against DC, why would I make posts promoting DC characters like this:
              If you didn't hate DC characters, you didn't have to explain yourself.
            Huh? That makes no sense. Obviously you think I hate DC characters, which I don't, so to demonstrate that to you, I pointed out clear examples in which I speak well of DC characters. Why would I speak well of characters I hated?
          You've obviously never heard of reverse psychology.
        Hmm, obviously I know what it is better than you. Please explain how my posting good things about DC characters for years and years on this board works as reverse psychology.
      Have you tried googling it? I've heard it's quite useful.

    So you can't explain it. I thought so.


Or perhaps I'm simply mocking you.


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          You're transparent man.
        So are you.
      Wow, you're so confused, you're responding to your own insults as if they were directed at yourself. You wrote both of the above lines. I am amused.
    You're quite transparent in your hate about DC characters. How is that being confused?

I'm not the one responding to my own insults as if I directed them at myself. So the confusion is all on you.

You aren't? Are you sure? Because you are obviously chanting "credibility" when you have none whatsoever.



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    You're unbiased? Don't make me laugh. You're the biggest Odin and marvel fanboy here.

Then you haven't met Oliva.

I have. He is harmless.


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    Nekron is a legitimate death abstract. You might as well call Presence a skyfather level character in your marvel zeal.

Nekron has only recently been written that way under Johns. He wasn't always that way. Watch Wonder Woman and an inexperienced Witchfire beat your DC abstract!


He was always written that way. Even in Captain Atom he was shown as the ultimate death abstract, even above Death of Endless.


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    So by your own standard, what does that say about DC abstracts? What does that then say about DC skyfathers?

That they are not less powerful than marvel ones.


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          And you yourself said Odin was more powerful than Spectre in another thread.
        I never said that. Wow, just outright lying now. Modern day Spectre, on average is more powerful than Odin, but Spectre has had showings in which he appeared less powerful than Odin's average.
      Are you sure? Because here you straight up said that.
    Spectre (whoever is the host) varies between 40-200 but is usually on the lower end
    Exitar 150
    Odin 85

That doesn't say Odin is more powerful than Spectre. I gave Spectre a range whose average is 120 compared to Odin's 85. I said that Spectre is usually on the lower end of that range. I didn't specify in that post but by lower than 120, I meant around 100, which is still greater than 85.


You're back peddling straight up? You said he averages towards 40 in your own quote man.

Unless lower end means something else in LA La land where you live.


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          Thunderbolt. So why don't you tell me which top tier Marvel characters beat Superman a majority of the time?
        Thunderbolt is definitely not a top tier. He is an imp and half of his self defeated and imprisoned Spectre and was warping entire universe.

      Thunderbolt has long been a member of the JSA. Interesting how Thunderbolt and the JSA didn't instantly beat every villain Spectre level and below in all those years. So tell me which top tier Marvel characters beat Superman a majority of the time?
    Because he is bound to a human host. It has nothing to do with power.

Of course it does. His human host provides major limitations, which are revealed precisely by why the JSA doesn't go around beating everyone if they have an abstract-level entity on their team!
That's the most absurd thing even for you.

Thunderbolt is limited by commands by his host, it has nothing to do with his power. You might as well say Superman is human level because he is susceptible to kryptonite and normal people are not.

He is not a top tier. He will defeat Odin and Galactus much less Thor and Surfer.


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      I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Are you really this desperate?

    So you deny that you posted on these Alvaro boards before as Abhijit?


Are you a moderator all of a sudden? What's the reason for this?



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