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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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motifian

Member Since: Sat Jun 10, 2017
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Subj: Re: Credibility revealed
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 at 10:17:57 am EST (Viewed 141 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Credibility revealed
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 at 11:15:18 pm EST (Viewed 108 times)



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      I notice you can't muster any defense except to be as vague as possible because you know I'm right.
    I have already shredded every single argument from you. I don't do defense here.


Because you can't.


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        And I showed you how it was directly stated to be able to redirect kinetic energy only.
      The word "only" was never used. The Aegis redirects energy AND produces a force field. Of course you don't think that amps the wearer, another sign of your lack of credibility.
    There are no statements regarding it able to channel Zeus lightning. You're simply making it up like always. Such a sign of credibility.


I'm not making up anything. The Aegis WAS SHOWN redirecting Zeus' lightning! Right here below. So much for your credibility yet again. You still don't think this amped Typhon or are you going to deny what's right on panel here?








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    Zeus was as powerful as ever. Experience doesn't increase or decrease power.


Experience vastly increases or decreases how well you can use that power. If you have a weight lifter and a boxer who are equally strong and durable, the boxer is going to win a boxing match easily. Experience matters.


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      Again, the debate isn't whether Zeus has his power, which I've always stated that he does. The debate is whether Zeus is more powerful in his regular form with all of his experience using that power than in the body of a human child with amnesia. You're saying regular Zeus is not more powerful, which is absurd. Being able to use your power well makes you more powerful than someone who can't use that power well.
    Yes, it is. Just because you are running away doesn't means it's not about power. Zeus was as powerful as ever and was throwing lightning bolts like usual.


Lightning bolts that were deflected by the Aegis.


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    There is no evidence that he was less effective than usual.


The evidence is that he had amnesia!


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          You have no credibility because you deny what's right there on panel while demanding that what's on the panel be the only evidence.
        You're describing yourself kiddo.
      Except that I've been supplying evidence of you doing so throughout this thread. You make the accusation of me but can't supply diddly squat.
    The exact opposite happened here. Don't worry, I'm not judging you by the way you lost here.


See how once again, you can't provide any evidence? You on the other hand stated that only what's on panel matters, stated that being on one's hands and knees means that character is significantly weakened, said that's a staple of comics, was shown Wonder Woman on her hands and knees, then denied she was weakened while maintaining that Odin was weakened because he was on his hands and knees. You contradict yourself and show your hypocrisy throughout this thread. No wonder you "don't do defense." No one could credibly defend themselves after that. Of course you're just going to meaninglessly retort that this is me, not you without any evidence.

Your entire line of debate is based on argument by assertion and argumentum ad infinitum. Look at all the threads in which you provoke response after response without asserting anything new. You apparently assume that simply because someone stops responding to you that your case has been proved but all you've proven is you're really tiresome.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion


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              You actually don't know how Typhon killed child Zeus because it happens off panel, but we saw the Aegis deflect Zeus' lightning, so already that's the Aegis helping Typhon kill Zeus in that it gives him defense against all of Zeus' energy projection. It also redirects physical blows as it did to Hercules, so it also blocks all of Zeus' physical attacks.
            Because Zeus wasn't having his head blow up like Hera and was shown dead physically.
          That sentence makes no sense. Hera's head getting blown up is her being shown dead physically.
        No, it's by an energy blast.
      You're still not making any sense. What is your point?
    What's yours? Typhon didn't kill Zeus with Aegis.


Another assertion without proof. Again, Zeus died off panel. You don't know how Zeus died. My point is that the Aegis is a powerful weapon that helped Typhon. Strange that you have to ask what my point is. Whatever I say, you repeat it back like you're a 5 year old in over your head.


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          The waters of Lethe made Typhon forget he had the Aegis so he didn't use it. Just moments earlier, Hercules tried to club Typhon and the Aegis reversed the blow, injuring Hercules severely. Will your attempts to mislead never end?
        Hercules bloodied Typhon even with Aegis.
      All you're doing is repeating yourself with something I already disproved.
    You didn't disprove anything but your ability to read. Hercules bloodied Typhon with Aegis before Amnesia.


Wrong. So let's disprove YOUR ability to read with the scans explicitly showing that Hercules did NOT bloody Typhon with the Aegis before Hercules gave Typhon amnesia. Where's all that Typhon blood? Oh, there is none.








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        And Typhon didn't need Aegis to beat Zeus in ancient times when he ran away.
      Wrong. Typhon said Zeus was afraid of him and fled, which means they didn't fight. However, in the story, when Typhon did fight Zeus in ancient times, Zeus won! See how you mislead yet again?
    Typhon had defeated Zeus and hence he ran. Zeus only trapped Typhon under Mount Edna. We have no idea of the fight before that.


There was no fight before that! Typhon says, "I so terrified you gods, that you fled to Egypt and hid as animals. All save your brave daughter Athena, who with cutting slights against the manhood of Zeus, drove you into battle against me, which you ended only by dropping Mount Etna atop me, and sealing me inside Tartarus with my brothers." That's the whole story of Typhon's encounter with the Greek gods. There is nothing there about Zeus running away AFTER Typhon beat him. In the only depiction of a fight between Typhon and Zeus in Typhon's recounting, Zeus won. Let's see another one of your arguments by assertion like "You're wrong."


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        You tried to argue that Hercules only gave Typhon amnesia, will your excuses for Marvel skyfathers never end?
      Another misleading statement. I never said Hercules "only" gave Typhon amnesia, but that certainly helped Hercules to win. You're the one pretending Hercules beat Typhon straight up, which is just wrong.
    Yes, you did. It's all here buddy.


Another vague argument by assertion.


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    So Hercules killed Typhon who is feared by Zeus and Zeus couldn't kill him by himself, right?


Zeus defeated Typhon in ancient times. In recent times, Typhon defeated Zeus because Typhon was helped by the Aegis and the Zeus he beat was an amnesiac child. Hercules killed Typhon because he had the aid of the waters of Lethe. So you're doing again what I've said throughout this whole thread: being misleading and destroying your own credibility while you're at it.


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            Or perhaps I'm simply mocking you.
          So you admit to violating board rules? So you admit to having no class? Argumentum ad hominem usually arises when you failed in every other respect.
        You're accusing me of using aliases and I'm violating board rules?
      You just stated you were being deliberately mocking. What do you think?
    And you accused me of using aliases. What do you think?


Of course. You can only repeat me. I must be your idol.


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        Have you by chance read any of your posts regarding Odin? Read them and it will be cleared why you don't have any credibility.
      Funny how you can't provide any specifics.
    How about all of your posts regarding Odin.


Argument by assertion. You can't provide a single specific.


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        He was only pushed through a door. It's not worse than Logos getting stomped by Black Panther or most cosmic hierarchy getting beaten by an alternate Reed Richards.
      You take those fights completely out of context. However, in the Wonder Woman + Witchfire vs. Nekron fight, the narration reads, "Wonder Woman batters at Nekron and when he clouts her away, Witchfire is there with a barrage of searing runes, and when she too, is swept aside, Wonder Woman is back taking the brunt of his attacks giving Witchfire time to recover." Your great abstract Nekron can't ko either Wonder Woman or Witchfire while they can drive him back and back against Nekron's will as he screams, "No! I will not... will not be..." and loses.
    Just like Logos was stomped in one panel by Black Panther.


They were in a metaphorical realm where the usual rules don't apply.


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    Nekron was only pushed through a door.


Argument by assertion and argumentum ad infinitum. You're saying the exact same thing as in your quote above without adding anything after I provided the on-panel text showing Wonder Woman and Witchfire physically defeating Nekron. Well, you added one thing. You just admitted that Nekron was "stomped" just like in the Logos case. At least Logos had an excuse.


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        But you concede that you haven't read much of DC for making the claim that Nekron wasn't powerful before. In his very first appearance he gave Krona enough power to destroy universe.
      You're being misleading again. I didn't say Nekron wasn't powerful before. I said that he wasn't always written as powerfully as Johns writes him. My Wonder Woman example speaks volumes.
    There he was only partially summoned and his station was mentioned too.


Where in the comic does it state he was only partially summoned?


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              So you deny that you posted on these Alvaro boards before as Abhijit?
            Are you a moderator all of a sudden? What's the reason for this?
          You're refusal to answer the question answers the question.
        So you're straight up accusing me of being a sock? Is that so? Because I will take this with mods further.
      Please do and reveal yourself.
    You're only digging yourself further now.


I'm waiting.





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