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Subj: Re: Marvel Universe vs DC Universe: critically?
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 at 12:33:11 am EST (Viewed 87 times)
Reply Subj: Marvel Universe vs DC Universe: critically?
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 at 02:52:56 pm EST (Viewed 129 times)



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    Cosmic Hierarchy - Tough one, the MU is so much more defined and everyone on this board knows Death, Eternity, they also sweep cosmic and mystical forces very neatly and this is core to the universe. Thor is the son of Odin, Silver Surfer is the herald of a skyfather being, Dr Strange invokes the power of Demons and Elder Gods etc.



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    They generally do a better job than DC even with New Genesis and the GLC, but DC blows them away with the Endless, Marvel just can't compete at this type of storytelling. However the Infinity Gauntlet is probably the greatest ever cosmic story, it beats Crisis in pure wow factor. Hickman 'the Hackman' has hurt Starlin's legacy IMO, but luckily most people don't seem to be considering his storytelling to much.



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    Winner: Marvel, by quantity. On pure top end scales, I would say the Sandman beats anything Marvel can offer, but it's isolated and Marvel in general play this game better on average.


Agreed. Marvel's cosmic hierarchy (for the *most* part) seems to be included in every story, or at least to make sense in. That's not true in DC comics. Wolverine is caught up in Galactus, Galactus is caught up in the IG, it all flows. Right down to the lowest tier of heroes.

It doesn't feel that clean in DC. Cosmics only make sense in cosmic arcs. They are storytelling avenue's rather than part of the world.



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    Marvel - A, DC - B



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    Iconic Heroes - Yeah, DC wins this. Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman. Marvel have made great strides in the last 15 years. Thor, Iron Man and Cap are getting there and Spiderman, Wolverine, Hulk have always been popular. They STILL don't have an A class female though.


I agree that DC wins. I don't agree it's anywhere close. The truly iconic DC heroes have no peer in marvel. Even after a generation of marvel movies, there just aren't any Marvel heroes like Superman and Batman, or even Wonder Woman.

These characters, for whatever reason, are built into a cultural lives. Perhaps thanks to Christopher Reeves and Michael Keaton, whose movies were true blockbusters. Perhaps for other reasons.

Regardless, DC crushes this, despite all their recent mis-steps.


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    Marvel - B, DC - A



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    Iconic Villains - Wow. DC have Luthor, Joker, Deathstroke, Darkseid, Marvel have Thanos, Dr Doom, Loki, Magneto. This is probably a dead heat.


I actually like Marvel villains more, but they both have had great arcs. DC villains feel more 'comically' villain in most stories. Magneto can make you feel for his side, understand his pain. Joker cuts his face off and staples it back on.

They're both fun, and these are generalizations, but that's how I see it.


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    Marvel - B, DC - B



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    Social Commentary - Marvel have heroes you can relate to - Spiderman, the X-Men are basically the LGBTQ community. In a sense, DC are to iconic and removed. The Watchmen series negates the gap somewhat critically, but at it's best is a self contained series.



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    Marvel - A, DC - C



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    Movies



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    Yeah, Marvel wins this somewhat easily.


DC Needs to just stop with movies until they figure out what's going so wrong.


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    Marvel - A, DC - C



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    All time critical appeal



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    Marvel have the Infinity Gauntlet, Secret Wars, DC have the entire run of the Sandman and the Watchmen



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    Marvel - B, DC - A



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    Overall - Marvel probably wins on average.



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    Thoughts?



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