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Subj: Re: Thanos vs. Darkseid (one last time!)
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 at 08:42:14 pm EST (Viewed 268 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Thanos vs. Darkseid (one last time!)
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 at 05:48:37 pm EST (Viewed 265 times)

    Well, he has but they we’re retconned away. Lost to Masterson Thor and Ka-Zar. Had those not been retconned, would Thanos really look all that superior?

Thanos has never lost to Masterson Thor. He's been injured by Masterson Thor, but that's not the same thing. And what are you saying here anyway? That retcons shouldn't count? Because that's what you're implying.

    I’m not sure if the loss to Squirrel Girl was indisputably retconned but most ignore it because it’s too silly.

Really? Squirrel Girl is comedy. You're not supposed to take it seriously.

    And Drax did punch a hole through his chest.

Drax was created by a skyfather-level being, Kronos, to be Thanos' magical weakness. Drax was also attacking Thanos while Thanos was distracted, and in Thanos Annual #1, Starlin even retconned this to Thanos being in a "very weakened state." And in their history, Thanos has beaten Drax many times. Again, you need to take the full context into account.

    Was never impressed with his durability feats like withstanding a black hole because top tiers do that too.

Thanos took Black Bolt's scream. Black Bolt then hit Thanos with subsequent screams that were weaker that Thanos completely shrugged off. There are few durability feats better than surviving a full Black Bolt scream. Also when Thanos fought the Fallen One, Thanos ignited a gas giant planet which completely exploded around him. Thanos wasn't terribly affected but it ko'd the Fallen One.

    The Surfer series made it clear that he doesn’t think of Norrin as much more than a gnat. That’s impressive. But Norrin is an extreme pacifist, and by design, really shouldn’t have more powerful than the smallest fraction of Galactus’ power who views his heralds as worms in comparison and actually transformed Terrax into one to prove that. Norrin’s durability has been highly inconsistent, so when he gets smacked around, it’s not the same feel when it happens to Thor. And would a writer dare conceive of a Thor or Gladiator getting armbarred by Black Panther - doubt it, but strangely it wasn’t as obvious to writers when it came to Surfer.

You're just rambling here. Pointing to outliers in Surfer showings isn't relevant. Should we reduce the Hulk to Princess Python's snake level or Superman's durability to a gas station explosion? Characters have very low showings sometimes. It shouldn't define them and neither should their very highest showings.

    Outside of the clear gap between Thanos and Surfer, when has he demolished a top tier that led no doubt? And I don’t mean one shot backhands or knocking heads together as suggestive evidence - Darkseid does that to Suuperman all the time - but a true butt kicking where the other is decimated and cant continue?

In the very DC/Marvel crossover you were citing, Thanos beats Terrax easily and the observation is made that Thanos is "a hell of a lot more powerful" than Terrax. Also Thanos beat Beta Ray Bill in a fight leaving no room for doubt about his superiority. Right after that, he two-shots Ronan the Accuser.

    how he defeated Maker Beyonder without informing that Maker has only a fraction of true form Beyonder power and was a mortal form willingly allowing it to suffer much more damage.

The Maker had the nigh infinite power of the Beyonder, she was just in a physical form. Thanos is able to exchange several energy blasts with her before using psi to destroy her mind.

    Why is it so indisputable that he’s substantially more powerful than a top tier? When has he team busted a team that had more than one or two top tiers?

Thanos and Adam Warlock beat the Annihilators (Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Ikon, Quasar, Ronan the Accuser, Silver Surfer). While Thanos was weakened by Death, he was beating the entire Imperial Guard minus Gladiator until Gladiator showed up. The narration later stated it would have been "impossible" for the Imperial Guard to have won had Thanos not been weakened. Thanos was winning against the Ultimates (Black Panther, Blue Marvel, Captain Marvel in Binary form, Miss America, and Spectrum) until Blue Marvel came up with a plot device machine that beat Thanos. The only time a single top tier has beaten Thanos (though it was really a Thanos clone) one on one was when Thor was powered up by enchanted armor and his belt of strength against an also powered up Thanos (clone).

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