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Subj: Re: Thanos vs. Darkseid (one last time!)
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 at 10:39:48 pm EST (Viewed 186 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Thanos vs. Darkseid (one last time!)
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 at 02:29:00 pm EST (Viewed 209 times)
Quote:I noticed something I never saw before, but in the DC/Marvel crossover, there's actually a small art piece showing Darkseid and Thanos matching eye beam for eye beam, neither having any advantage. Their fight is mostly off panel but throughout the series, it was unquestionably implied that their fight was more than just some brief encounter. People point out that Orion's loss to Surfer carries weight because it represents an author's (John Byrne's) interpretation of how the fight would really happen despite not being canon, yet we see here that the same logic points to Darkseid and Thanos being evenly matched.
Quote:I don't know why people point out Orion's loss to Surfer, are they willing to accept the logical consequences?
Quote:Sure. The thing is that when you're trying to measure Darkseid vs. Thanos, you have to take everything into account. This is just one showing. I agree that Darkseid should be positioned as an equal to Thanos as the consummate teambuster, but until the New 52, that hasn't often been the case. Even here as you point out, we see that Thanos' eye blasts are seen as equal to Darkseid's omegas. Thanos' eye blasts are just a typical attack for him. Darkseid's omegas represent the pinnacle of his power.
Quote:Both characters have had showings all over the place, but certainly some showings are more memorable and prominent than others. Darkseid has both beaten and lost to Superman, DC's most prominent or second most prominent character. In two cases, Superman flat out beat Darkseid cleanly with Darkseid admitting he lost. Another time, Superman got a save from Wonder Woman's vambraces against Darkseid's omegas, but after that, Superman went on to beat Darkseid convincingly. Given all of these instances and that Doomsday also humiliated Darkseid, it's hard to see Darkseid as significantly more powerful than Superman.
Quote:Thanos has also had good and bad showings. He's shown he can beat Adam Warlock easily, that he could probably take down Thor and Thing simultaneously (and this was before he got a notable power up upon his resurrection), that he could keep up with Odin for a time, and he's beaten the Annihilators. On the lower end, he struggled against Drax, Nova, and Peter Quill in the Cancerverse, he's lost to the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy combined, and while in a weakened state, Thanos lost to the Shi'ar Imperial Guard. Thanos has never lost to a Superman-level foe in a straight fight though and that should count for something.
Thanos has straight up lost to Kyle Rayner when Thanos was amped on Oan energies to boot.
Darkseid was injured by his own omega energies when he lost to Superman. Incidentally Thanos actually died when he blasted his head with his own blasts.