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Subj: Re: Third Battle Scan: Superman vs. Darkseid: Batman Superman #13
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 at 01:16:30 am EST (Viewed 167 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Third Battle Scan: Superman vs. Darkseid: Batman Superman #13
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 at 10:43:05 pm EST (Viewed 191 times)
Quote:That's the only time Superman has stalemated Darkseid and that Darkseid was powerful enough to defeat Jimmy Olsen with the power of every new God. He was literally defeating an entire pantheon.
Superman has stalemated Darkseid plenty of times as Zvelf has already pointed out.
Quote:Action Comics 638, New Gods 10, Adventures of Superman 495, Superman Confidential 8 and 10, The Legion 29 and Man of Steel 116. Darkseid defeated Superman repeatedly.
And once again, your making stuff up.
Action Comics #638: No, Darkseid did not win. Superman slammed into a blast of Darkseid's and fell (stunned, not KOed), but was still conscious as Darkseid boasted before boom tubing away. Superman got up right after that. Not a win.
They didn't even fight in AoS #495. Superman was summoned by Darkseid's finder beams, held helpless in a force field before being let go. Not a fight, not a win.
MoS #116: After fighting some Parademons and Kalibak, Superman engages Darkseid in a fight. The dark lord manages to gain the upper hand, but doesn't win. All Darkseid does is slam Superman into the ground, then force him to look at his newest creation, the Entropy Aegis. Then Superman continues to fight Darkseid before he breaks away to go find Steel. Once again, not a win. That's strike 3, Motifian. Things aren't looking good for the case you think you've built up.
New Gods #10: After Darkseid blasts Superman with his Omega Beams, Superman withstands them (which surprises Darkseid) and remains standing as High Father convinces the Man of Steel that Darkseid is not the enemy. How is this a win for Darkseid?
Superman: Confidential #8 and 10: After batting aside Superman like he's nothing, Superman rises back to his feet and rescues a woman. Where's the win? In issue #10, Superman takes two direct hits from Darkseid's Omega Beams. Even though Clark's costume is torn up, along with some bleeding, Superman never falls down and remains standing throughout the exchange. Again, not a win.
The Legion #30 (not 29): This is SuperBOY not SuperMAN and it's not even the mainstream version of the Man of Steel either. In their first exchange, Darkseid punches Superboy but he's still conscious. Thus, not a win. Later in the same issue, Superboy beats Darkseid with the help of the Legion.
In every single one of your named examples, you have failed to name even one legitimate defeat where Darkseid clearly won. All you did was make stuff up. Again.
It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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