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Subj: Re: How many retcons does Thanos need?
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 at 05:17:28 pm EST (Viewed 168 times)
Reply Subj: Re: How many retcons does Thanos need?
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 at 03:53:44 pm EST (Viewed 146 times)

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    But you do keep saying that Thanos has suffered multiple humiliating losses that have been retconned. What losses are you referring to? If the Thor loss is understandable under the circumstances, then it is not humiliating. So you have Ka-Zar and Squirrel Girl, which is only two and Starlin had nothing to do with Squirrel Girl. Thus, that leaves only Ka-Zar for him.

    In 1992, Starlin had Thanos give up his nihilism and has continued to write him as NOT being nihilistic to this very day. In 2000, Starlin wrote Infinity Abyss whose story is based on Thanos seeking to stop a group of his clones who inherited his past nihilistic ways from destroying the universe. With such a plot, it does make sense to explain why between 1992 and 2000, we have seen at least three times when Thanos is trying to destroy the universe. The notion that Starlin did this stricktly to undo the losses is an assumption.

I think people are missing my actual point in this Darkseid/Thanos thread chain. I don't really care about actual portrayals. What I *DO* care about, and what irks me, is the double standards when faced with 2 essentially very similar characters that both had built-in excuses to correct their track records. One get forgiven when providing retcons, while the other just won't no matter what despite being essentially the same type of retcons.

My usage of Thor and Squirrel girl above was to highlight just how bad the protectionism had become with Thanos. In both cases, there simply was no retcon needed. Thor was plausible enough, while Squirrel girl comic relief status should not have triggered the need for a serious response.

I think that the difference is that Starlin's retcons are specific with no real ambiguity. With Darkseid, you have Desaad impersonating him, yet Superman has beaten Darkseid after the Desaad reveal and if I'm not mistaken, more than once. Plus, there is a question of how is Desaad able to match Superman to any degree and unleash the Omegas on Doomsday, etc. We simply don't have any specific battles that the retcon references.

With regard to the Avatars, allegedly there is a true form, all powerful Darkseid and Avatars that allow him to function within individual universes right? Morrison revealed that the Darkseid from Final Crisis is the only time we have seen this mystery true form Darkseid IIRC. Thus, the "Avatar" that functions in the DCU is basically Darkseid of the DCU.

Also, highlighting the protectionism shows that the retcons are fresh on the minds of other creators and therefore firmly in effect. I doubt that many DC writer have in mind the notion of Darkseid's defeats being Avatars.

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