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motifian

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Subj: Re: other issues that imply DS is not significantly above 'top tiers'.
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 11:45:51 pm EST (Viewed 71 times)
Reply Subj: Re: other issues that imply DS is not significantly above 'top tiers'.
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 09:26:33 am EST (Viewed 52 times)



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        What about the Orion vs. Darkseid fight under Simonson indicates DS is well above him? Yes, DS fakes his own death, but that death was plausible, and Orion worked DS over.
      It was a staged fight. Darkseid could've killed him anytime he wanted.



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    Nonsense. Darkseid and Orion have fought many times at length. If Darkseid beats Orion quickly, that is the outlier.


Name one fight where Darkseid had any trouble with Orion unless it was a staged fight (Orion 5) or Orion was powered up (Countdown).

Otherwise Darkseid straight up owns Orion who has straight up conceded that he is below Darkseid in power and equal to Kalibak.

Darkseid vs Orion from Adventure Comics 459. Darkseid defeats Orion with a single energy blast.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/adv459_46_ng.jpg
Darkseid vs clone of Orion from Legion 294. Darkseid literally disintegrates him after a bit of struggle.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-26.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-27.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-28.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-30.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg
Darkseid vs Orion from Jack Kirby's Fourth World 6. Orion is merged with Desaad and is more powerful than normal. Darkseid easily manhandles him and was about to kill him when Highfather intervened. This Darkseid was revealed to be an avatar while real Darkseid was entombed in the Source wall.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-06-15.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-06-16.jpg
Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 2. This happens inside the source and Darkseid allows Orion to kill him to taint the source.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv301-22.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv301-23.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-04.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-05.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-06.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-07.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-08.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-09.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-10.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-11.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-12.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-13.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-14.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-15.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-16.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-17.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-18.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-19.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-20.jpg
20. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-21.jpg
21. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-22.jpg
22. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-23.jpg
Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 6 & 8. Darkseid kills Orion while being dead by creating his own body out of Orion. Later he brings Orion back to life and easily defeats him while Orion is in berserker fury.
https://s6.postimg.org/4bzaeustt/New_Gods06-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/aqybbizjl/New_Gods06-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/po6scjcs1/New_Gods08-21.jpg
Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power almost kills orion.
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-07.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-09.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-10.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-11.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-14.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-16.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-18.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-19.jpg
Same Kalibak vs a weakened Darkseid.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-16.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-17.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-18.jpg
Darkseid vs Orion from Orion 5. It is a staged fight from Darkseid.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p02and03.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p04.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p05.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p06and07.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p08.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p09.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p10.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p11.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p12.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p13.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p14.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p15.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p16.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p17.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p18.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p19.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p20.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p21.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p22.jpg
He actually admits later he could have easily killed Orion, but pretended to even die to further stain his soul so that Darksied and him could rule the universe.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion13kebbin15-1.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion014OCD-21.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion014OCD-22.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion15kebbin08.jpg
Orion vs Darkseid from The Legion 29. Darkseid manhandles Orion with one hand.
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-19.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-20.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-21.jpg
Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power beats down Orion casually. He overpowered Orion with one hand even.
https://s6.postimg.org/gvptourn5/Racer_X-_Firestorm35-p02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/70yoimnox/Racer_X-_Firestorm35-p06.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/hcb1bafe9/The_Nuclear_Man_V2_34_pg_21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/rwkytvjw1/The_Nuclear_Man_V2_34_pg_22.jpg
Darkseid vs Orion and Mr. Miracle from Firestorm 35. Darkseid koes both with literally a wave of his hand.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/RacerX-Firestorm35-p20.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/RacerX-Firestorm35-p21.jpg

Darkseid has literally oneshotted Orion twice with nothing but a gesture. Heck even an avatar of Darkseid defeated Orion so bad he has amnesia from it.


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        At times, DS has seemed a bit above the top tiers, but again and again, they stand up to him effectively.
      Name one top tier that did it other than Superman. He has crushed Wonder Woman, backhanded Captain Atom away, crushed GLs like nothing, defeated Orion with a wave of his hands, made Etrigan his slave, casually created Takion's equal out of air, curbstomped Lobo, oneshotted Mon-El in a coma, oneshotted J'onn etc.



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    Again, lots of misleading, out of context, or just plain wrong examples here. For example, if Darkseid curbstomps GLs like nothing, he shouldn't need to wear a yellow suit to protect himself and even then he needs saving from the Guardians. So you asked for another top tier who stood up to Darkseid effectively, we have Green Lantern Raker Qarrigat:


There it was for the whole GLC. In the same issue he literally crushed Raker's ring after catching his attack like nothing.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/GreenLanternv380-PageGiant3pg43.jpg

Only skyfathers like Mordru and the likes have ever destroyed a full power GL rings like this.


Raker was even alive courtesy of Darkseid

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion18kebbin21.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion18kebbin22.jpg

Once again Darkseid was injured by omega beams when Raker was trying to hit him by a shovel (if you think that could've done anything but hey Odin was in danger of getting killed by a pillow to the face).


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      Not even Odin has such an impressive record against top tiers.



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    Since you're on record as stating you believe Odin is a weakling whom Thor beats in a fight, I'm not sure what your point is here.


Just for the record man.



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