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motifian

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zvelf

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Subj: Re: Dan Jurgen's take on Darkseid, Doomsday, and Superman
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 10:53:10 pm EST (Viewed 45 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Dan Jurgen's take on Darkseid, Doomsday, and Superman
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 01:53:32 pm EST (Viewed 49 times)



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        Doomsday wasn't defeated. He just got knocked into a structure and buried by rubble. He dug out right away and then beat Darkseid to the point that he would have died had Superman not come along with a motherbox.
      Of course he was. Darkseid even waits for him to get up for some time and then moves on.



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    No, Darkseid just takes a few steps before Doomsday emerges from the rubble.


And? It was a loss by counting if you want boxing terms.

Superman couldn't even stun Doomsday even after he was powered by kryptonite X previously.


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      Its a clear loss by any means. In fact Doomsday's bio in countdown shows the time Doomsday has died and it shows the Darkseid conflict suggesting Darkseid actually killed Doomsday who resurrected to become even more powerful to defeat Darkseid.



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    "Suggesting"? No, it's you doing the suggesting. Doomsday doesn't die and revive right away. Doomsday was dead for a long time after Radiant killed him. Doomsday was dead for a long time after Superman killed him. Doomsday was dead for a long time after Imperiex killed him and in that instance was only revived by Lex Luthor much later.


Doomsday's regeneration time gets shorter every time he regenerates. After DOS he regenerated within a few days. This time he regenerated almost immediately.

Doomsday remained dead after OWAW. Lex only created a Doomsday clone.


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      Yes, he punched out Darkseid but that version of Doomsday would do the same to any skyfather level being. He was just that physically powerful.



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    That's purely your exaggerated speculation. Imperiex one-shot killed this Doomsday.


Even Pre DOS Doomsday took a guardian committing suicide point blank which literally evaporated Superboy Prime.

Imperiex was far beyond skyfather level. It took Eternity level Kismet merging with Superman to just breach his armor which contained another big bang.

Imperiex would kill Odin or Galactus the same way.


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          What's even more interesting is that Jurgens stated Superman is millions of times more powerful than Thor. I guess that must be true too.
        Funny thing is that statement is the only thing from the interview that Jurgens retracted.
      Yes, under the pressure of Thor fans. But we're taking everything from the interview as face value, so be it.



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    That's not how evidence works. If the subject of the interview retracts what he stated, that means it's not to be used as evidence. But this only hurts your case. So far you've been trying to undermine what Jurgens says, but the moment Jurgens says something you approve of about Superman being superior to Thor (though he also said Superman would lose to Thor in a fight), you want to affirm it. Funny how that works in your mind.


Yes, it seems it works only if it's in favor of you.

I'm talking about how you took Darkseid losing to Doomsday and Doomsday being a peer to Superman at face value but rejects it as soon as it comes to Thor.

I'm not taking anything in that interview seriously. It's you who is taking one part of the interview as truth and rejecting another part. Stick to it kid.


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        See, I'm not even saying I agree with Jurgens. I think Darkseid should be more powerful than Superman. But plainly one of Superman's pre-eminent writers thinks differently, which just happens to directly and grossly contradict your take that Darkseid is a skyfather-level being who can defeat Superman-level foes easily.
      Darkseid did defeat superman level foes easily though under Jurgens. He oneshotted Cyborg Superman like nothing and sealed his soul in a container. Cyborg Superman under Jurgens has oneshotted Superman before.



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    You're being misleading again. That wasn't a one-shot. But I guess you think Cyborg Superman is more powerful than Superman now. Can he lift half of infinity too? (LOL!)


Darkseid attacked him by weakened omega beams from which Cyborg regenerated. Then Darkseid gets at full power and oneshots Cyborg.

Only Galactus turned Cyborg in a container after Henshaw was defeated and weakened.

It's what Jurgens wrote. Try arguing with him about it.



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      What Jurgens says in interviews and shows in comics are two different things. As you say interviews are irrelevant.



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    You're right that I don't take interviews seriously. I made that caveat from the start and just posted this interview for people who do. And YOU are one of them as you often cite interviews as supporting evidence. Of course now that the interview blatantly contradicts you, now you want to say it's irrelevant. So are all the interviews you've used in the past irrelevant too?


You say you don't take the interview seriously? Stop arguing about it as if it's proof then.

It's not a proof by any means.


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