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Subj: Re: Dan Jurgen's take on Darkseid, Doomsday, and Superman
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 at 11:19:48 pm EST (Viewed 237 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Dan Jurgen's take on Darkseid, Doomsday, and Superman
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 at 09:12:36 pm EST (Viewed 185 times)
So Doomsday couldn't escape the rubble, huh?
Yeah, because in boxing, you get buried by buildings all the time!
And? It was a loss by counting if you want boxing terms.
Quote:No, Darkseid just takes a few steps before Doomsday emerges from the rubble.
Quote:Of course Doomsday escaped the rubble. He escaped the rubble then nearly killed Darkseid.
After getting killed and resurrecting as per countdown bio.
Because entropy is the only attack he can't regenerate from. It's what killed him in Hunter Prey and that's what Imperiex did to him in OWAW.
Quote:You just contradicted yourself. Doomsday "resurrects" immediately from Darkseid's attack and he never comes back to life after OWAW. Some regeneration! No, you're just making up stuff again. No one reads Hunter/Prey thinking Darkseid killed Doomsday except you.
Quote:You just completely made that up about Imperiex. I told you I have the OWAW trade and can flip to any page to identify all the stuff you brazenly make up. Imperiex simply blasts Doomsday in one shot and turns him into a skeleton. There's no statement or narration saying anything whatsoever about an entropy attack.
Oh you. Imperiex straight up used entropy on both Superman and Doomsday.
He is embodiment of entropy if you didn't know.
I accept your concession. No need to pout about it.
Quote:Yes, yes, we get it. You think Darkseid is more powerful than Odin and Galactus. You think Doomsday is more powerful than Odin and Galactus. You think everyone in DC is more powerful than Odin and Galactus. I mean you're on record for thinking Odin is a weakling, so we know where you stand.
Quote:You said earlier that H/P Doomsday would kill any skyfather. Let's see, who was able to fight H/P Doomsday at length, for a much longer duration than Darkseid? Oh, Superman. I guess you think Superman is more powerful than Odin and Galactus too.
Superman was powered up by kryptonite X and further boosted by mother box. As revealed in Superman man of tomorrow 9.
Exactly how powerful?
It turns out that Superman was substantially amped when he battled H/P Doomsday--
before he even acquired a Mother Box...
A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that
Superman had become immensely more powerful. Examples...
"Just tapped him a little ... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker !":
"Even using as little effort as possible , I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before !":
Hamilton explains Superman's amp...
"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."
Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"
Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
His power increase was ambiguously alluded to during the H/P arc itself...
I'm better than before, too! Stronger .":
However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...
"After his recovery, [Superman] was stronger than ever . Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power , he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.":
In a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.
It was such a big amp that Superman was oneshotting bizarro thrice in a single comic where he stated that Bizarro was as strong as him before.
Here he says Bizarro can match him blow for blow.
And then he goes and oneshots him three times in a row.
Seriously enough, he was just tapping him and tossing him around like a ping-pong.
Superman was at least 3-4 times stronger than usual in Hunter Prey and both Darkseid and Doomsday were still more powerful than him by a long margin.
And even then Superman got thrashed and his arm broken like a twig.
No, you're trying your best to lowball Darkseid. If you can't do it from comics, you're using interviews now.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I already stated from the start that I don't consider interviews canon. The only time I think they're useful is when the author clarifies vague points. I'm being consistent. You've used interviews plenty in the past, but all of a sudden you don't believe in this one. How convenient.
Quote:I'm talking about how you took Darkseid losing to Doomsday and Doomsday being a peer to Superman at face value but rejects it as soon as it comes to Thor. I'm not taking anything in that interview seriously. It's you who is taking one part of the interview as truth and rejecting another part. Stick to it kid.
Quote:I'm not trying to lowball Darkseid. I'm just presenting him as he is in some of his most famous fights. As I've stated, I like Darkseid as a villain. I think he should be depicted more powerful than he has been a lot of the time, not totally out of reach of a Superman, but certainly a strong teambuster. He appears to be like that now, someone who can fight the Justice League close to evenly. But for most of the period after Crisis on Infinite Earths and before New 52, that is for 25 years, Darkseid appeared closer to Superman in power level than a top-tier teambuster. All the scans I posted here attest to that.
I've already proven it. No need to repeat it.
Accept it and move on.
Heh, I'm cherry picking? So why does Jurgens is right about what he says about Darkseid and wrong about Thor?
See, I just proved once again that you just cherry pick what counts for you.
You say you don't take the interview seriously? Stop arguing about it as if it's proof then.
You're right that I don't take interviews seriously. I made that caveat from the start and just posted this interview for people who do. And YOU are one of them as you often cite interviews as supporting evidence. Of course now that the interview blatantly contradicts you, now you want to say it's irrelevant. So are all the interviews you've used in the past irrelevant too?
Quote:What Jurgens says in interviews and shows in comics are two different things. As you say interviews are irrelevant.
Quote:It's in one ear and out the other for you. I already stated that Jurgens retracted what he was about Thor. Jurgens did not retract what he said about Darkseid, Doomsday, and Superman.
Where in that interview did that happen? In fact this board itself confirms that Jurgens was totally serious.
Jurgens retracted it in the comics. Which actually matter, you know.
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