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Subj: Re: As a baseline, I put Thor and Surfer both at 15, Loki at 12...but I may have been a little low on Loki
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 12:22:29 pm EST (Viewed 161 times)
Reply Subj: Re: As a baseline, I put Thor and Surfer both at 15, Loki at 12...but I may have been a little low on Loki
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 10:05:45 am EST (Viewed 172 times)
That's a young Superman who was taken by surprise by Orion.
Quote:Orion has never been stated as equal to Superman or more powerful than him.
Quote:This is rich. You used the exact same Superman as evidence of Darkseid's superiority over Superman right here by citing Superman Confidential:
Superman was aware about Darkseid and still got almost killed.
He overpowered Orion twice when he got serious and stomped Mantis who has overpowered Orion in past.
Quote:Now it doesn't count for Orion because Superman is young but somehow it counts for Darkseid! You repeatedly change your standards depending on whether you like the character. The catalogue of you doing this is almost endless.
Superman was playing around with Orion and got stunned for a few panels.
That does not shows Orion as being more powerful than Superman. Superman has outperformed Orion against Darkseid, Doomsday, White Martians, Superboy, Mantis, Brainiac and Infinity Man.
These are how they are portrayed. Orion is a peer to Superman when he is holding back. Nothing more.