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Subj: Re: As a baseline, I put Thor and Surfer both at 15, Loki at 12...but I may have been a little low on Loki
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 01:27:48 pm EST (Viewed 96 times)
Reply Subj: Re: As a baseline, I put Thor and Surfer both at 15, Loki at 12...but I may have been a little low on Loki
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 12:22:29 pm EST (Viewed 161 times)
Superman was aware about Darkseid and still got almost killed.
This is rich. You used the exact same Superman as evidence of Darkseid's superiority over Superman right here by citing Superman Confidential: http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=comicbattles-2018020203430570&layout=thread
That's a young Superman who was taken by surprise by Orion.
Quote:Orion has never been stated as equal to Superman or more powerful than him.
Superman is clearly "aware about" Orion here too and still got ko'd. Superman even dodges Orion's initial attack but then gets downed easily.
Quote:He overpowered Orion twice when he got serious and stomped Mantis who has overpowered Orion in past.
I'm amused by how you use the vague word "overpowered" to try to make it mean more than it does. You do it all the time in which you point to one moment in one fight in which the character you're promoting is winning without taking what ultimately happens in the fight or the context of the fight into account.
Superman was playing around with Orion and got stunned for a few panels.
Quote:Now it doesn't count for Orion because Superman is young but somehow it counts for Darkseid! You repeatedly change your standards depending on whether you like the character. The catalogue of you doing this is almost endless.
Oh, now it's Superman only got "stunned," but then you claim that stunning an opponent is a win for you. Every instance you pointed to of Darkseid beating Superman was far less persuasive than Orion clearly and cleanly beating Superman here.
Quote:That does not shows Orion as being more powerful than Superman. Superman has outperformed Orion against Darkseid, Doomsday, White Martians, Superboy, Mantis, Brainiac and Infinity Man.
My point wasn't that Orion is above Superman on average. I simply pointed out that what you said, that there were no examples, zero, of Orion being more powerful than Superman, was flat out wrong. Orion easily beating Superman here contradicts you.
THE POWER OF EMPATHY IN THE MCU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy1zKcddbNk