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motifian

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zvelf

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Subj: Re: other issues that imply DS is not significantly above 'top tiers'.
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 11:24:51 pm EST (Viewed 39 times)
Reply Subj: Re: other issues that imply DS is not significantly above 'top tiers'.
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 04:37:36 pm EST (Viewed 42 times)



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            This is by Jack Kirby who created both characters:
          Oh you mean the out of continuity series? I mean, why don't you post super powers series now if you are at it.
        How is that story out of continuity?
      It directly ties to Hunger Dogs OGN which is also out of continuity.



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    The Hunger Dogs story is referenced in-continuity in Action Comics #600 and Superman #3.


It was declared out of continuity in letters page in New Gods v3 14.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/DZkRkFY35BCc0txqW5KOYO7tSeKcOHxxAmMCN6KHAy6fN6ZRYFA-_Fc-WQytXpba7f-mUZ31du2_=s1600



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                As usual, your example isn't even a fight! Darkseid sucker shots Orion, who by the way isn't even ko'd and then Darkseid flies off! Strange how you consider Orion to be defeated simply because he's on his hands and knees here but considered Wonder Woman completely fine in the same position after Darkseid blindsided her and in that instance, she stayed down for over a page with smoke coming out of her back, all so you could say that Wonder Woman was 100% when facing Darkseid.
              I considered WW defeated by Darksied too. In WW, he wasn't trying to hurt her, just lure Zeus.
            You considered Wonder Woman defeated by Darkseid even though she wasn't hurt. Really, the logical contortions you go through.
          I said she was stunned but recovered.
        Here's the link: https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=comicbattles-2017121714550733
      I'm not seeing any contradiction.



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    You don't see any contradiction with stating Darkseid actually beat Wonder Woman in a blindside attack while simultaneously also maintaining that she was unhurt and actually 100% for the rest of the fight? Like I said, the logical contortions you go through.


Yes, she recovers very fast. I also stated that, didn't I?


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        What you actually said after Darkseid blindsided Wonder Woman and knocked her down for over a page with smoke coming out of her back was, "You need [to] show us where that weakened her. She is weaker when Darkseid drains her only." It's right there in that link. BUT NOW you're saying Darkseid actually beat Wonder Woman with the blindside. So she was beaten but not weakened but she was stunned by it. Wow! To rationalize your points, your criteria for wins, losses, being weak, being stunned changes faster than the diaper of a baby with incontinence. By your logic then, Thor beat Superman. Thor hit Superman with Mjolnir and the writer and artist go out of their way to show Superman is lying prone, clearly stunned. Or let me guess, your criteria is going to change again really really fast.
      Busiek went out of his way to show that Superman was back within a moment.



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    That's not a moment! That's in the next issue! You don't know exactly how much time has passed between the two issues. Thor "beating" Superman there is every bit as valid of all your Darkseid "beating" Superman examples, even moreso, because in none of your Darkseid vs. Superman examples was Superman lying motionless prone on his back.


Being in next issue doesn't mean it was a year later.

The narrative directly stated that it was just one moment before Thor struck Superman and Superman was punching Thor in the face.

So no, Superman wasn't stunned or lying prone.


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        Oh, Wonder Woman is Wolverine now. Not. Keep rationalizing.
      It's like you didn't even read the story. Oh right, you didn't.



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    I bought, own, and read the comic.


I really doubt it.


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