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Subj: My list is quite a bit different from yours...
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 at 09:08:56 am EST (Viewed 293 times)
Reply Subj: Re: My explanation
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 02:45:00 pm EST (Viewed 419 times)

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    So, the last several years have had MOS, B vs. S, Wonder Woman, and JLA...Does Suicide Squad count... for DC

Yes. The DC Expanded Universe (DCEU) is basically every live-action DC movie after THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.

    My question is, why do you think Marvel movies are doing better, do you like them better?

Not all the Marvel movies are that good, but the DCEU movies are just far worse on the whole, and the best Marvel movies are far better. To give you perspective of where I’m coming from, here are my rankings of all MCU and DCEU movies:

1. The Avengers
2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
3. Iron Man
4. Thor
5. Avengers: Age of Ultron
6. Thor: Ragnarok
7. Thor: The Dark World
8. Guardians of the Galaxy
9. Captain America: Civil War
10. Ant-Man
11. Spider-Man: Homecoming
12. Wonder Woman
13. Doctor Strange
14. Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
15. Captain America: The First Avenger
16. Iron Man Three
17. Iron Man 2
18. Justice League
19. Man of Steel
20. Suicide Squad
21. The Incredible Hulk
22. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

I'd say 1-3 are great, 4-6 are very good, 7-13 are fine entertainments, 14-16 are mediocre, 17-19 are bad, 20-22 are godawful.

The explanation is that Zach Snyder is a horrible writer, director, and producer and he drove the DCEU into the ground. Notably, the most praised DCEU film is Wonder Woman, which Snyder did not work on. If you watch Snyder’s pre-DCEU films, it’s clear that the only thing he’s good at are flashy visuals. He can’t write worth a damn, his plots are juvenile, his characters are cardboard caricatures, and he embraces that 1990s comics aesthetic that somehow thinks grim and gritty is automatically cool. That aesthetic is particularly wrong for Superman.

Kevin Feige had a vision for the MCU and he executed it well, certainly not close to perfect, but well. The MCU movies were plotted out well in advance and patiently revealed and built up each character so that when they finally came together, it meant something. The MCU gave each major character their own movie, and Marvel could give each new character an extra push by tossing another character into their movie. Black Widow stars in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Falcon gets a cameo in Ant-Man, Iron Man plays a significant role in Spider-Man: Homecoming, Hulk guest stars in Thor: Ragnarok, and so on.

The DCEU tried to rush everything into BvS and Justice League and did it extremely clumsily. You were never going to do justice to the um, Justice League by trying to develop Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash all in one movie that also had to give significant screen time to Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman, not to mention totally forgettable villain, Steppenwolf. And given all of DC’s many iconic villains, why pick a C-lister like Steppenwolf who nobody knows or cares about? Justice League is your Avengers. It’s time to lead big. Also, by making Superman look superior to the rest of the Justice League, in their debut movie nonetheless, diminishes the rest of them. The animated Justice League/Justice League Unlimited is infinitely better than the movie.

    How about the Arrowverse, and Agents of Shield...Preferences, thoughts, etc?

I have to say I don't care for any of either DC or Marvel tv series except for Daredevil and Jessica Jones. I have not checked out Runaways.

1. Spider Man, Homecoming: they did a good job with the villain,
the characterizations, and I felt the characters had depth
and had an overall good story
2. The Avengers: very well put together ensemble movie
3. Iron Man: started it all and did a very good job
4. Thor: Ragnarok: I really enjoyed the movie...solid plot, good acting
a little too much humor though
5. Guardians of the Galaxy maybe because my expectations were low, but
I loved this one
6. Thor: The Dark World
7. Ant-Man, again maybe because my expectations were so low
8. Avengers: Age of Ultron
9. Wonder Woman
10. Captain America Winter Soldier
11. Captain America, first Avenger
12. Iron Man 2...villain was mediocre, but overall I enjoyed it quite
a bit
13. Thor. I enjoyed parts quite a bit, but parts felt rushed
14. The Incredible Hulk. I think its underrated...not great, but
again enjoyable IMO. Good job of incorporating Stark Tech
15. Man of Steel: IMO wasn't that bad...wasn't that good either with
mischaracterisation of Supes IMO
16. Dr. Strange. It was enjoyable, but IMO weaker than most of the
other Marvel movies.
17. Suicide Squad. This is where I start getting to the point where
I don't care for the movies too much...I actually enjoyed SS, but
it had a lot of problems, and there were a lot of things that really
annoyed me
18. GOTG 2: In fairness, I should watch this again...I didn't pay
as close attention as I should have and was working on some
documentation while watching, but it never grabbed me
19.Iron Man 3: acting was good, but I really disliked this movie for
some reason. It didn't feel as much like Iron Man, I didn't like
the villains, or the resolution, and I didn't care for Extremis much
in the comics, liked it less in the movie
20. JLA. Just fell kind of flat.
21. Batman v. Superman: The first 3/4 was 'meh', but the inclusion of
Doomsday actually pissed me off. Not making the DOS a whole movie
unto itself is almost unforgivable. Should have ended long before
it did...

I missed something in there, but I think you get the point.

I'll also note that I think the Batman trilogy was pretty good, though I have a lower opinion of some of them than others...I think Batman Begins was actually the best of the three, and the DK with the Joker should have ended earlier, went on too WOULD be my favorite of the three if it had ended earlier...

I also want to state that while they don't hold up from a CGI perspective, I still really like the Toby McGuire Spider Man movies...they were well done, well acted, and did a good job with the villains.

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